Carbine range table?

[rust]

Well, as I said earlier - no medieval target range was allowed to be less than 220 yards...

I suspect the 220 yards were chosen with cavalry in mind, to me it seems
that this would be about the right distance to defeat charging cavalry with
a volley of arrows and still have a chance for a second and perhaps third
volley at a closer range before whoever is still mounted can demonstrate
his displeasure at being shot at.

 

[locarno24]

I suspect the 220 yards were chosen with cavalry in mind, to me it seems that this would be about the right distance to defeat charging cavalry with a volley of arrows and still have a chance for a second and perhaps third volley at a closer range before whoever is still mounted can demonstrate his displeasure at being shot at.

200-250 yards is also an important 'break point' with longbow volleys - it's the point at which the mass of archers would stop 'lofting' broadheads and start firing directly with aimed, armour-piercing bodkins.

 

[Egil Skallagrimsson]

So, most of us agree that allowing individuals using bows to shoot at other individuals at ranges up to 500m is a bit daft, (of course, as a "rifle" the csc TL2 bow can engage at distant, beyond 500m, at -4, as well).

Back to the OP, is the "Assault grenade laucher" from pp69-70 a big shot gun, or a grenade launcher, or a slug carbine?

While we think about it, the same page gives a range of "Assault Weapon" for "SMG, Carbine type" which appears to cover weapons such as the Sten, the Sterling SMG, the MP40 and the M3 "Grease Gun" based around a 9mm round. This gives DMs of 0 out to 50m (fair enough), -2 out to 250m (seems a little long), -4 out to 500m ( :? ) and -6 beyond ( :shock: ).

Egil

 

[rust]

While we think about it, the same page gives a range of "Assault Weapon" for "SMG, Carbine type" which appears to cover weapons such as the Sten, the Sterling SMG, the MP40 and the M3 "Grease Gun" based around a 9mm round. This gives DMs of 0 out to 50m (fair enough), -2 out to 250m (seems a little long), -4 out to 500m ( :? ) and -6 beyond ( :shock: ).

Since SMGs typically use pistol ammunition instead of rifle ammunition and
are rarely manufactured with high precision in mind, I would expect 50 m
as a realistic effective range, and 250 m as the maximum possible effecti-
ve range - beyond that the projectile would hardly do any damage at all.

 

[DFW]

But then you also have to remember that in England, you either went to church on Sunday or practiced at the butts...

but yeah, bows weren't really designed to aim at individuals at 400 yards - just a case of if you get enough of them, it'll hit something...

English longbow "men" trained from early adolescence. Many years of constant training. Unless a PC comes from a similar background/culture, they can kiss their fantasy goodbye about being as accurate with a bow...

 

[Egil Skallagrimsson]

While we think about it, the same page gives a range of "Assault Weapon" for "SMG, Carbine type" which appears to cover weapons such as the Sten, the Sterling SMG, the MP40 and the M3 "Grease Gun" based around a 9mm round. This gives DMs of 0 out to 50m (fair enough), -2 out to 250m (seems a little long), -4 out to 500m ( :? ) and -6 beyond ( :shock: ).

Since SMGs typically use pistol ammunition instead of rifle ammunition and
are rarely manufactured with high precision in mind, I would expect 50 m
as a realistic effective range, and 250 m as the maximum possible effecti-
ve range - beyond that the projectile would hardly do any damage at all.

Exactly. Years ago it was said that a wet great coat would stop a pistol bullet, fired from a sten, at 100 yards (though I doubt if anybody ever tested it)

Another over optimistic range in the csc.

Egil

 

[zero]

*cough* The Assault Grenade Launcher is a TL 9 weapon that has zero recoil due to low velocity, doesnt have an automatic attack and can be armed with flechette or explosive rounds (explosive is generally preferred as they do more damage). Clips hold ten rounds, top-loading.

The weapon has a mass of 4.5kg and is somehow classed as a slug carbine. It looks like a 40k Bolter or a chunky Aliens Pulse Rifle. Its not a grenade launcher and I wouldnt call it an assault weapon (despite being classed that).

It seems most like a beefed up hunting rifle tbh.

 

[GypsyComet]

If it is held like an SMG and has the range behavior of an SMG...

 

[Egil Skallagrimsson]

If it is held like an SMG and has the range behavior of an SMG...

...then in csc world it could be absolutely anything!

Egil

 

[rust]

By the way, this Assault Grenade Launcher is probably built upon the
new XM 25, and it would be comparatively easy to find some more re-
liable data for it on the Internet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM25_CDTE

 

[barnest2]

By the way, this Assault Grenade Launcher is probably built upon the
new XM 25, and it would be comparatively easy to find some more re-
liable data for it on the Internet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM25_CDTE

Not quite but the launching mechanism would be similar. The XM-25 is far too cool 8)

 

[Egil Skallagrimsson]

By the way, this Assault Grenade Launcher is probably built upon the
new XM 25, and it would be comparatively easy to find some more re-
liable data for it on the Internet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM25_CDTE

Not quite but the launching mechanism would be similar. The XM-25 is far too cool 8)

Yeah, the XM-25 looks like an impressive bit of kit, though the grenade size seems rather small.

In trav terms clearly a support weapon/grenade launcher, not a carbine, the RAM Grenade Launcher (p119 of csc) with added sight and laser should cover it.

The csc seems to have no idea what skill is required for any launcers, as there is no "Required skill" listed for any of the weapons in that table, so yet more amendments required to my copy.

I sometimes think that it is impossible to open the csc without finding problems. I know that a lot of gamers think the csc is the best thing since sliced bread, but I continue to be unconvinced, it is a job half done.

Egil

 

[barnest2]

Yeah, the XM-25 looks like an impressive bit of kit, though the grenade size seems rather small.
l

It's working fine at the moment, putting the fear of air burst explosives into Iraqi insurgents...It is damned heavy though.

 

[far-trader]

...It is damned heavy though.

And pricey. At some US$25,000 in quantity it is not a soldier's weapon. It is a special squad support weapon. I'm curious what the price of the CSC weapon is for comparison. If it isn't upwards of say Cr5,000 then it's not this

 

[barnest2]

The assault grenade launcher is 1000 credits.

However, it also doesn't include a range finder, a computer, and the ability to set its ammunition to explode in mid-air after going through a window like the OICW can.

Is is a squad support weapon, much like the M249. A chap carrying one of these can negate any cover the enemy is hiding behind, a rock, a car, a building, because he essentially shoots over it. One in a squad makes fire fights much easier.

 

[zero]

It is being planned to be used to fire the 25mm shells directly at enemies, making what one might think to be like the opening of the Ghost in the Shell movie when Motoko uses explosive shells on a defector.

It is also the main gun of the ship's Captain, who when armoured up in their MGS4 Octo-camo style Guard Armour and other gear has an Armour value of 22 (meaning enemies need a weapon that does about 4d6 damage to cause him damage) and can do 4d6 damage himself each round :shock:

The first adventure actually has them on a high law-level backwater Starport, so he's restrained to a cutlass and 6 armour :lol:

 

[barnest2]

It is being planned to be used to fire the 25mm shells directly at enemies, making what one might think to be like the opening of the Ghost in the Shell movie when Motoko uses explosive shells on a defector.

What do you mean planned? The XM-25 is in service in Iraq...

 

[zero]

I'm youtubing it, from the wiki page it sounds alot like what I picture the AGL to be like, and the picture is very similar to the CSC advert for it.

 

[barnest2]

It's similar but the XM-25 (OICW) is designed to defeat cover, not be used as an assault weapon. You don't fire it directly at the enemy, you fire it past their cover, where it explodes, spraying the enemy with shrapnel.

However, the AGL is for shooting people with.

They look a bit similar I grant you, but the XM-26 uses a standard magazine, a bull pup design, and a great big targeting laser/computer set up.


ETA: Fuel air explosive rounds are also possible 8)