Can you use scout re-roll on suicide fighter attacks?

[Johnny D]

Subject says it all really. Any ideas?

 

[H]

I hope not!!

 

[Burger]

No; scouts allow you to reroll attack dice from one weapon system. Suicide fighters are not a "weapon system".

 

[Johnny D]

Good.
I play gaim & Dilgar, but as both get cheap scouts it would be really scary.
That said logically if the fighters could use the scouts to target an enemy ship better with guns you'd have thought it would have aided ramming.
As the gaim ships are already precise it's not like accuracy is such an issue and surely the principle is pretty much the same especially at the distances fighter's work at.

 

[Centauri_Admiral]

I think the idea behind the re-roll from the scout to weapon systems, is intended to represent the enhanced sensor suites of a scout, feeding upgraded telemetry into a friendly ships targetting matrices. My understanding behind piloting your fighter into an enemy ship is more that you point the nose in the general direction of the ship in question, and fly at it full speed, so I'm not sure I agree that on principle crewed missiles would benefit from such telemetry data.

And to be fair its a beardus maximus stunt, and if an opponent did it against me, I'd feel obliged to give said opponent a good slap!

I'd say no; thats pushing the boundaries of the rule.

 

[inq101]

I'd say yes, but each individual fighter counts as a seperate weapon system.

The scout would scan a ship for weak-spots and guide the fighter in.

 

[Centauri_Admiral]

I'd say yes, but each individual fighter counts as a seperate weapon system.

The scout would scan a ship for weak-spots and guide the fighter in.

There was me thinking that guiding fighters during the course of a battle was the sole domain of fleet carriers; don't remember those granting any re-rolls.

But following this train of thought then, using a crewed fighter to ram an enemy ship, and getting a re-roll for scout, then if I choose to ram an enemy ship with say . . . . . a primus battlecruiser, then by the same token I should be allowed a re-roll too. After all, I've just turned by crippled primus into a weapon system, by your reckoning.

 

[Burger]

I'd say yes, but each individual fighter counts as a seperate weapon system.

The suicide fighter is not a "weapon system". Where does it state that it is?

 

[H]

I'd say yes, but each individual fighter counts as a seperate weapon system.

The suicide fighter is not a "weapon system". Where does it state that it is?

but where does it state that it isn't! ;-)

just for reference i don't think it is either! just playign Devils advocate

 

[Voronesh]

Well anything that can be used to kill the enemy could called a "weapon system".

Whats the difference between a missile, and a crewed missile? The extra sensor and piloting system called organic being?

Although I agree game balance is a strong argument against that ^^.

 

[Johnny D]

I take the point with the re roll on the primus ramming although due to fighters size and agility I still think that logically there's a good case for it.
That said game wise i agree that it'd be too powerful.

 

[Johnny D]

In fact aren’t there examples of fighters in the show programming manouvers in use on board computers, which you’d assume would benefit from enhanced telemetry.
Wasn’t that how Sinclair tried to ram a Sharlin and got captured.
Also does that mean the Early Years Earth could also use suicide fighters when fighting the minbari as the only time you ever see a fighter try to ram is then would make sense if it was tied to a specific year like it is with the Dilgar.
As Earth was facing similar annihilation it would fit thematically and give them another way to be more distinct from the other age earth forces

 

[Burger]

In fact aren’t there examples of fighters in the show programming manouvers in use on board computers, which you’d assume would benefit from enhanced telemetry.
Wasn’t that how Sinclair tried to ram a Sharlin and got captured.

The guy who didn't make it back from sector 14 is a good exmaple, his Starfury flew back to the jump gate, opened it, flew through hyperspace, opened the jump gate at the other end, flew to B5 and came to a stop right outside the door... all with a dead pilot!

 

[inq101]

I don't think giving a re-roll on 1AD is overpowered, especialy as it can be shot down by AF fire. The closest to a deffinition of a weapon system I can think of is the rules for the GEG's.

Centauri_Admiral. I don't see why a scout couldn't guide one squadron of fighters. Fleet carriers are just designed to do it on a large scale. As for ramming with a Primus, trying to aim it for a vulnerable points may be difficult.

 

[Right Hand of God]

Surly anything hit by a Primus at ramming speed is hit in the vunerables as it were

 

[Burger]

I don't think giving a re-roll on 1AD is overpowered, especialy as it can be shot down by AF fire. The closest to a deffinition of
a weapon system I can think of is the rules for the GEG's.

On 1 fighter, maybe not. But on 20?

The last paragraph of page 4 is pretty clear about what is a weapons system:

Weapons: Any warship will have multiple weapon systems, all of which will be detailed here.

 

[H]

Weapons: Any warship will have multiple weapon systems, all of which will be detailed here.

[/quote]

hello, devils advocate here... wouldn't you maybe consider that a carrier full of torpedo fighter, is therefore carrying multiple weaponm systems ;-)

 

[Burger]

The last paragraph of page 4 is pretty clear about what is a weapons system:

Weapons: Any warship will have multiple weapon systems, all of which will be detailed here.

hello, devils advocate here... wouldn't you maybe consider that a carrier full of torpedo fighter, is therefore carrying multiple weaponm systems ;-)

No, it is carrying aux craft.

 

[inq101]

I don't think giving a re-roll on 1AD is overpowered, especialy as it can be shot down by AF fire. The closest to a deffinition of
a weapon system I can think of is the rules for the GEG's.

On 1 fighter, maybe not. But on 20?

Which is why I said

I'd say yes, but each individual fighter counts as a seperate weapon system

 

[Burger]

I don't think giving a re-roll on 1AD is overpowered, especialy as it can be shot down by AF fire. The closest to a deffinition of
a weapon system I can think of is the rules for the GEG's.

On 1 fighter, maybe not. But on 20?

Which is why I said

I'd say yes, but each individual fighter counts as a seperate weapon system

Where does it say a fighter is a weapon system?