Can we have a Raiders boxset?

[JayRaider]

I'd like to see a Raiders boxset being introduced.
I've been putting together a 5Pt Raid Raiders force, and i've just realised how many Fighter Flights are needed,depending on your ship choice, 20-24 flights!
And thats only for Delta Vs, if you want some Double/ V2 fighters that more!.
So 6 packets of fighters for a basic Raider 5PT!
That price is painful! :roll:

P.S. I already have 4 battle wagons and 2 Carriers 8)

 

[Spike1382]

I think this is where you give up and use counters or buy some of the fan made three fighter flight stands...

 

[H]

I think it's a fair request, a couple of battleagons, a Nova dreadnaought and more fighters than you can shake a bat squad at!
I'd pop a PM to matt to suggest it.

 

[JayRaider]

Actually i've reconsidered buying ACTA Raider fighters due to the cost.
Luckily i have 17 B5 Wars Delta V's, i'll use them to represent fighter flights
I'll spend the money on something else, like the Anicents boxset!

 

[Shadow Queen]

I asked the same question some time back and all i got was an "I dont know."

 

[Spike1382]

I would assume they'll wait till the new models are done so they can provide a box with some verity. I wouldn't count on it having enough fighters though.

 

[Triggy]

They're part of the planned sets of fleet boxed sets for 2nd ed. Most will be 5 FAP at Battle PL but I've suggested that the Raiders one be 5 FAP at Raid PL. The precise contents haven't been confirmed as this will await the finalising of the 2nd ed rules to allow us to pick balanced fleets.

 

[dant164]

Quick question to take advantage someone brought up the subject of raiders.

Are they still allowed to take one fleet point from a league fleet?

 

[Calistan]

I'd like to see an expanded Raider list, but I would think that raiders would use old hulls from the Narn, Centaury, EA, or any of the races that would sell their old ships.

 

[JayRaider]

I'd like to see an expanded Raider list, but I would think that raiders would use old hulls from the Narn, Centaury, EA, or any of the races that would sell their old ships.

Agrees.
Think of the amount of old,damaged ship hulls laying about the Galaxy.
Raiders should be able to use some EA ships.

 

[Celisasu]

They could probably add a Raider Thentus(oldest Narn hull so surely a few have ended up in the hands of raiders), Raider Hermes(since there are civilian versions a few probably got modified by the raiders), and perhaps one of the older Brakiri ships as well since does anyone doubt that they'll just as happily sell to raiders as they would to any other group?

 

[super squirel]

I would love to see a raider box set. and agree with the comments of Celisasu above.

 

[Valen is my name]

Hows this for a new raiders hull?

Raiders Avioki-class Heavy Cruiser Battle

Whilst the larger raider groups buy Novas from third parties to ensure the EA armaments remain entact, they see no need to do the same from the Brakari, so instead buy Aviokis which are no longer needed. Similar to the Batrados Transport variant, except no weapons systems remain as the Brakari do not want their own weapons being used against them - but their own hulls are a different matter! However, this is not a problem to the raiders who would have removed the weapon systems anyway as they prefer to stick with what they know and dislike the long reload time of the Graviton Beam, so instead fit their own weapons systems, and in some eyes, do a better job than the Brakari manage.

Speed 5 Damage 60/15 Craft 2 Delta V2s
Turn 1/45 Crew 70/15 Special Rules Jump Point, Interceptors 3
Hull 5 Troops 0 In Service 2266+

Weapon Range Arc AD Special
Medium Laser Cannon 20 F 4 Beam, DD, AP
Medium Pulse Cannon 10 F 10 -
Medium Pulse Cannon 8 A 8 -
Medium Pulse Cannon 8 P 8 -
Medium Pulse Cannon 8 S 8 -
Particle Beam 4 P 5 Anti-Fighter, Weak
Particle Beam 4 S 5 Anti-Fighter, Weak

EDIT: Laser is now 4, not 6 and only has AP instead of SAP

 

[H]

It has a better armament than an Avioki, AND fghters?!
Surely it should be worse, as the raiders won't know it as well as the Brakiri do.
By better armament, I mean, heck, it's beam is better than the omega, G'Quan, and almost as good as a primus!

 

[Valen is my name]

yeah hadn't spotted that. woops! changed it a bit. laser is similar to the battle wagon version, but only AP not SAP because they aren't used to hull and computers etc.

 

[Da Boss]

I'd like to see an expanded Raider list, but I would think that raiders would use old hulls from the Narn, Centaury, EA, or any of the races that would sell their old ships.

Agrees.
Think of the amount of old,damaged ship hulls laying about the Galaxy.
Raiders should be able to use some EA ships.

Agree - maybe add the one point of EA early years as well as League, slightly more difficult for other races but you could actually use In service dates to restrict their choice ...............

 

[H]

yeah hadn't spotted that. woops! changed it a bit. laser is similar to the battle wagon version, but only AP not SAP because they aren't used to hull and computers etc.

looks more acceptable now

 

[Valen is my name]

i think it still may need a bit more toning down, i'm not sure. until you pointed it out one of the worst battle choices had a variant owned by someone else that was one of the best!

 

[Valen is my name]

Another new raiders design idea. Please post your comments as it will help me get the stats right.

G'Karith-Class Patrol Cruiser Raiders Variant - Raid

After the Narn were set free by Londo, they set about rebuilding their homes, lives, and most importantly their defenses and fleets, all of which cost a great deal of money. They quickly realised that they could sell some of their ships at a vast profit, whilst the Raiders realised that even with their new V2's they still had problems with fighters protecting cargo ships, and their anti-fighter weapons were too weak and had too-shorter range to aid their own fighters, so they needed a new weapon. They quickly discovered the G'Karith hulls, complete with Energy Mine tubes, and set about buying as many as they could, with a plan to using the mines to destroy cargo-ship-protecting-fighters before they intercepted their own fighters. However, they quickly ran into problems with the Narn reactors and the energy mines - Raiders cannot tolerate as higher radiation levels as the Narn can! This meant that nearly everything had to be replaced, which only pushed up the ever increasing cost of the ships. However, eventually they succeeded in converting the hull and perfecting the energy mines (mainly due to buying Brakari expertise from the Tashkat variant which used energy mines), and their finished product was quickly put to use, although every raider captain in control of such a vessel must remember not to use the energy mines against the cargo ships, as any captain that does will quickly find all other raider weapons turned on him after the battle!

Speed 6 Damage 30/6 Craft 1 Delta V2 Flight
Turn 2/45 Crew 36/7 Special Rules Jump Point, Interceptors 1
Hull 4 Troops 0 In Service 2267+

Weapon Range Arc AD Special
Gravitic Mine 25 F 3 Energy Mine
Medium Pulse Cannon 10 F 10 -
Twin Particle Array 8 F 5 Twin-Linked
Light Pulse Cannon 8 A 4 -
Medium Pulse Cannon 8 P 6 -
Medium Pulse Cannon 8 S 6 -

NB
The Raiders G'Karith uses the same energy mines as the Brakari Takata, and therefore uses all the same energy mine rules and stats.

 

[Romu]

I too would love to see a raider boxed set.
I have a pretty big league & centauri fleets atm and i'm considering starting a narn and vorlon fleet.

I'd love to do a raider fleet but without a box it's just not as interesting imo
Even a small box the size of the reinforcements and i'd be happy