Beast from the east

Hiromoon said:
*tries..to..keep..comment...in...* :D ;)

Trust me, I've heard them all ;) And I've live in the England long enough to have fully devoloped Brittish sense of humour and ability to laugh at oneself anyway ;)

(we still burned the whitehouse down though :P)
 
Technically yes, but it was a Canadian division (remember in 1812 Canada was part of the brittish empire and the 'Canadian Army' WAS Brittish)
 
<_< doesn’t that ‘not count’ because the Canadians weren’t really a country back then?!

Meh. Canadian and their connection with both France and Britain.
 
Its good enough for me still :P

And back then Canada was REALLY not on the French side, the French were supporting the Americans (mainly as it pissed the Brittish off :P)

But anyhoo, we seem to be veering somewhat away from the T99 here :P
 
Rogue Soldat said:
I’m a modern military fan.

Name these Tanks then!

leclerc.jpg


buford4nr5.jpg


92e3a8e5c1.jpg


osorio2.jpg
 
First ones a Leclerc

Second ones an M8 Buford

Third one, dunno but Im guessing its Israeli from the flags...

Last one is an EE-T1 Osorio

Must admite though I cheated slightly, you really shouldnt post photos with the tank names in the filename Hiro... ;) (knew the first two anyway though for the record :P)
 
*chuckles at the comment that he's Rogue's mum*

Sorry, mate, not likely. We're on opposite sides of the continent. I live (albeit a little too close) near Quebec, while Rogue's on the west coast.

I'm a student of all forms of weapons technology by nature. And I'd have to argue with you on the concept that the Abrams is the best tank. The Abrams, while most other tanks in the world are using ERA, still relies on solid plating to my knowledge. Albeit very thick, very dense armor plating, but still, one solid plate that a good old 150mm Hollow Charge round could probably put a hole in. The Abrams also lacks any serious C3 systems. Now, let's look at the competition, shall we?

T-90: While admittedly the T-90 is probably one of the lowest, for its armor, it has the deflective plates hidden under the mounting of its Kontakt-5 bricks. The T-90 also has the SHTORA system, which detects laser designation and automatically deploys smoke charges to stop acquisition. Additionally, there's the Arena and Kaktus active protection systems which actively attack incoming missiles and such. Crew survivability has also been addressed, through an escape hatch in the bottom of the chassis, which addresses the common principle deployed by foreign troops of attacking the additional fuel supply drums that are mounted on the aft section of the chassis. Yes, these are Additional fuel, there are videos out there of the tanks operating Without them. Another point to be made, is that the T-72, T-80 and T-90, have the ability, from far longer ranges than other tanks can engage, to strike with the AT-11 Laser-guided ATGM, which does not wear on the barrel due to launch as it is fired from the barrel in a canister and engages its motor post-firing. This, in my opinion, is one of the few, if not the only, good thing to come from the mind of Nikita Kruschev, especially regarding tank warfare.

Type 99: While admittedly the chinese have not engaged first hand in armored combat since Korea and the Sino-Russian war, they have been able, thanks to the ingenious concept of journalistic war documentation, to study armored combat of potential enemy nations. This has led to the design principles seen in the Type 98/99 tanks, with the ERA, sloped turret armor, laser countermeasure system, and other such features. If there's one thing wonderful about the concept of putting journalists in the warfront, it's that the enemy doesn't have to do as much spying to find out where your design flaws are, and they don't have to fight you to learn them either.

Leopard 2: This tank is quite a formidable unit in and of itself, between the beautiful driver control system (likened by crewmen to driving a volvo for the simplicity and ease), and its well-thought of C3 system that not only shows the tank's position on a satellite GPS overlay, but that of other friendly tanks as well, and allowing realtime data relay between tanks, allowing coordination of tank attacks, they use the very same gun, built by Rheinmetall-Borsig, as the Abrams. The combination makes the tank quite formidable as an ACV.

Challenger 2: This tank's actually probably among the oldest of the currently operating MBT's. This can be seen in the fact it still utilizes a rifled barrel, which is subject to wear and requires replacement after a specific number of shots. The rifling does, however, provide an advantage in the fact that it stabilizes the round in flight, providing additional accuracy. The catch of the Challenger is in its problematic nature that it still has no autoloader, making crew attrition a higher problem.

Leclerc: I haven't seen this tank much, and from the images I have seen, it suffers from a bulky design, providing a massive silhouette. The gun also seems to be lower caliber, but I saw no signs of rifling in the images I have seen. I can only surmise that it has a low effectiveness in combat, since I don't remember hearing or reading about the French actually deploying them. Until it's fielded, I'll just wonder if its applique armor is of any use in saving another poor French tank design from humiliation.

Merkava: The "Do it yourself" tank as I have heard it mentioned, is actually, while high in sillhouette, rather an interesting design. To note a major weakness, though they have made an attempt at a defence against it, is the Rear shot trap, where a well-placed shell in the aft of the turret, with it facing forward would drive the shell's explosion most likely downwards, into not only the unwitting crew, but the tank's six passengers as well. Its forward shot trap is not as problematic, since it does have the forward mounted engine, which provides some measure of additional mass. It's a bit of a mixed bag, as I see it. Some interesting ideas, some potentially costly problems. Though the Merkava has seen combat, and they do continually improve it from lessons learned.

All told, those are the main tanks that compare against it. I can't comment directly on the Iranian tank, as I have only seen the images, and thus will decline comment until I've had a chance to review them more.
 
hmm... first one strikes me as a Leopard mk 1

Second one I'm not entirely sure about. Interesting angle to put in, Rouge.. South Korean though...Type 88 K1 (The position of the driver gave it away in the end).

Third one: T-90

Fouth Picture is Atomic Annie, right? The Atomic Howitzer?
 
Rogue

Leopard

Leopard 2 I believe

Type 80 with ERA, possibly Type 90. That's no T-90, no SHTORA beside the barrel.

Atomic Annie
 
Atomic Howitzer?!?! They actually MADE those? I thought they made them up for C&C :P

Still could be crazier, I guess :P

Oh and the first one isnt a Leopard 1. I wont say what it is cos again I dont actually know except for reading the filename :P
 
Sauragnmon said:
I'm a student of all forms of weapons technology by nature. And I'd have to argue with you on the concept that the Abrams is the best tank. The Abrams, while most other tanks in the world are using ERA, still relies on solid plating to my knowledge. Albeit very thick, very dense armor plating, but still, one solid plate that a good old 150mm Hollow Charge round could probably put a hole in. The Abrams also lacks any serious C3 systems.

Actually...

One of the most interesting modifications of the M1A1 series was the new armor composite including depleted uranium (DU) plate. This armor greatly increased resistance against kinetic energy rounds. During the Gulf War, M1A1 tanks could directly engage enemy tanks while in the enemy's line-of-sight with little risk from any eventual damage from incoming retaliatory fire. This means that M1A1 tanks could hit their targets, while Iraqi tanks couldn't hit, or, if they hit, couldn't damage M1A1 tanks. Also, due to DU armor, not a single US tank was penetrated from enemy fire. US tanks took many close direct hits from Iraqi Soviet-made T-72 and T-72M tanks, but enemy rounds were simply not able to penetrate the M1A1 tank's armor. The model that had this feature was called M1A1 HA (Heavy Armor), and had a protection equivalent to 600 mm against kinetic energy ammunition (APFSDS), and 1,300 mm against chemical energy warheads (ATGM's and HEAT ammunition).

Sucker's got layered armor like the Brits, dude.

A little more information: http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/abrams.htm
 
Indeed. CHOBHAM ftw :P

Not a single Abrams crewman was lost in the conflict, while inside the protection of the M1A1's armor, by enemy fire. Casualties did occur, but in all known cases, the cause was fratricide from other US weapons.

Oh deary me... says it all really. All the hi tech gadgetry in the world wont make up for a bit more time spent studying a recognition chart....

edit: suspect it didnt help much either that such blue on blue incidents quite probably often involved a hit from the rear
 
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