Beams and Dodge
- Thread starter Taran
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Centauri_Admiral
Mongoose
I personally thought that it made more sense to dodge after the first roll; I've been told that the rules actually state you do all of your attack rolls first, which means that beams get to do their subsequent rolls BEFORE you roll dodge.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure that there is a list somewhere, listing all the "actions" for want of a better word, in each phase.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure that there is a list somewhere, listing all the "actions" for want of a better word, in each phase.
Centauri_Admiral
Mongoose
looks like we are all on the right track then. 
Methos5000
Mongoose
Taran is correct, and the Turn Sequence is on page 25 of the Rule Book:
* Initiative Phase
* Movement Phase
Ships Move
Fighters Move
Anti-fighter attacks resolved
Scout traits used
* Attack Phase
Fighter Attacks and Dogfights
Ship Attacks
Roll Attack Dice
Dodges
Interceptors
Shields
Roll on Attack Table
Gravitic Energy Grid
Critical Hits
Close Blast Doors and pak’ma’ra Redundant Systems
Boarding Actions performed
* End Phase
Compulsory movement
Damage Control performed
Fighters Launch
One effect it doesn't mention is Adaptive Armor, I know the crit damage is factored into the per weapon hit, but does CBD function first then AA or is it the other way around?
* Initiative Phase
* Movement Phase
Ships Move
Fighters Move
Anti-fighter attacks resolved
Scout traits used
* Attack Phase
Fighter Attacks and Dogfights
Ship Attacks
Roll Attack Dice
Dodges
Interceptors
Shields
Roll on Attack Table
Gravitic Energy Grid
Critical Hits
Close Blast Doors and pak’ma’ra Redundant Systems
Boarding Actions performed
* End Phase
Compulsory movement
Damage Control performed
Fighters Launch
One effect it doesn't mention is Adaptive Armor, I know the crit damage is factored into the per weapon hit, but does CBD function first then AA or is it the other way around?
Tzarevitch
Mongoose
Centauri_Admiral said:I personally thought that it made more sense to dodge after the first roll; I've been told that the rules actually state you do all of your attack rolls first, which means that beams get to do their subsequent rolls BEFORE you roll dodge.
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Yes. I though that was counterintuitive too. Dodge should stop subsequent "hits" that chain off the first one but the rules say the opposite. Similarly Twin Link should fire again if the first hit is dodged or intercepted but it doesn't. It actually works in reverse. Do what the rules say not what is logical. (And don't look at the man behind the curtain.)
Tzarevitch
SylvrDragon
Mongoose
Tzarevitch said:...Do what the rules say not what is logical. (And don't look at the man behind the curtain.
Tzarevitch
That's the only way to remain sane when playing this game. lol
Methos5000
Mongoose
armbarred said:
That seems to make the most sense, it seems the Turn Sequence should have said
Critical Hits
Adaptive Armor
Close Blast Doors and pak’ma’ra Redundant Systems
Though its still iffy because half the people you ask will say that if Trait loss knocks out AA the full damage of that attack is applied, the other half will say that AA armor reduces it and then goes offline.
maybe perhaps
Critical Hits Damage
Adaptive Armor
Critical Hits Effects
Close Blast Doors and pak’ma’ra Redundant Systems
Though again that depends on who your asking. Its kinda hard to figure exactly though since all this is happening at the same time effectively.
Greg Smith
Mongoose
I'd go with:
Critical Hits Damage
Adaptive Armor
Close Blast Doors and pak’ma’ra Redundant Systems
Critical Hits Effects
I would have critical and crippling effects take place after each weapon. So if you knock out AA or get a no SA crit, it doesn't actually come into effect until the next weapon fires.
Critical Hits Damage
Adaptive Armor
Close Blast Doors and pak’ma’ra Redundant Systems
Critical Hits Effects
I would have critical and crippling effects take place after each weapon. So if you knock out AA or get a no SA crit, it doesn't actually come into effect until the next weapon fires.
Greg Smith
Mongoose
See page 13, if a ship is restricted from performing a Special Action it will immediately lose the benefit.
CBD is obviously more than simply shutting doors, since it restricts firing. It obviously includes restrictions on power and ammunition to weapons, closing launch bays and the like. I would think it involves diverting crew away from weapons to man fire suppresion, damage control and medical teams. While loss of special actions is caused by reactor damage or loss of the bridge, causing specialised equipment to lack power or special orders to no longer be given.
CBD is obviously more than simply shutting doors, since it restricts firing. It obviously includes restrictions on power and ammunition to weapons, closing launch bays and the like. I would think it involves diverting crew away from weapons to man fire suppresion, damage control and medical teams. While loss of special actions is caused by reactor damage or loss of the bridge, causing specialised equipment to lack power or special orders to no longer be given.
Methos5000
Mongoose
That way would be more useful since at the very least if you get the No SA crit at least your CBD worked against the shot that caused it.
Yep, it should be renamed "Close Blast Doors and Fasten Seat Belts!" since it now prevents crew lossGreg Smith said:
Maybe thats why it restricts firing. The gunnery crew can't reach the controls :lol:
Yes, the beam can track the ship. It doesn't just shoot straight and keep going. If the ship dodges, the guy on the firing controls will move his joystick to try to follow the target.tneva82 said:
Greg Smith
Mongoose
Methos5000 said:
Yes. If a shot takes out interceptors (either through crippling or trait loss), you don't retroactively take the interceptors off and add hits.
