battlefield evoulution

[ScipioAmericanus]

So..if this is JUST A GAME, then why should a consumer even bother to purchase any minis? Let alone pre-painted, pseudo accurate ones? Why not just use paper cut-outs?

Hmmm...in 28mm scale, if my math is right, the range on the average NATO 120mm main gun will be in the neighborhood of 70 to 90 meters in real terms with APFSDS...which would be one helluva gaming table!!!

All this squezed into a 6x4 gaming table? Matt said in another post that you could go to arena-sized games if you wanted (I paraphrase) but what's new in that? There have been rules around for years for modern forces. And how many gamers have arenas?

*tilt*

I'd suggest going back to Victory at Sea, releasing the absolutely finest small scale naval miniatures that have ever been seen in the history of the planet, then revisiting this Battlefield thing in a smaller scale.

 

[Mac V]

Oh, let's not talk scales again! That's been done to death.

If they changes the scale, they would have actually screwed anyone with the current ones.

Matt says you can play in a gym or on a 4x4 board. Your wallet's the limit.

I said you could really use any rules set you wish. Which you can (but I'm sure Mongoose would like to see theirs).

I have never seen such uproar over so many positive options. At the very least, let's all take our pills until the event Mongoose is holding at the end of the month goes off. Hopefully everyone there will post their HONEST opinions (and give us lot's of new pictures!).

 

[ScipioAmericanus]

Oh, let's not talk scales again! That's been done to death.

If they changes the scale, they would have actually screwed anyone with the current ones.

Matt says you can play in a gym or on a 4x4 board. Your wallet's the limit.

I said you could really use any rules set you wish. Which you can (but I'm sure Mongoose would like to see theirs).

I have never seen such uproar over so many positive options. At the very least, let's all take our pills until the event Mongoose is holding at the end of the month goes off. Hopefully everyone there will post their HONEST opinions (and give us lot's of new pictures!).

Get real.

A 28mm scale tank will be about 6-7 inches in length.

Advice to MGP: go to 15mm. Unless you want the new game to be skirmish only. Better idea: abandon this idea. It's a boondoggle. Make Victory At Sea the flagship! (Ha!)

 

[Doctor Warlock]

Get real.

A 28mm scale tank will be about 6-7 inches in length.

Advice to MGP: go to 15mm. Unless you want the new game to be skirmish only. Better idea: abandon this idea. It's a boondoggle. Make Victory At Sea the flagship! (Ha!)

You get real, you keep harping on about one persons opinions being no more valid than anothers - you comments are just your opinions.

I've played WW2 in 28mm with 200 minis per side PLUS vehicles.

I wouldn't call that a skirmish.

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

I do a lot of Weird War 2 gaming, 40mm scale - 100+ miniatures per side (no Vehicles though).

Again, like Doc Warlock - I wouldn't call that a skirmish.

I can't see how 28mm Near Future gaming would be any different. You play games as big (or small) as you want.

 

[ScipioAmericanus]

Get real.

A 28mm scale tank will be about 6-7 inches in length.

Advice to MGP: go to 15mm. Unless you want the new game to be skirmish only. Better idea: abandon this idea. It's a boondoggle. Make Victory At Sea the flagship! (Ha!)

You get real, you keep harping on about one persons opinions being no more valid than anothers - you comments are just your opinions.

I've played WW2 in 28mm with 200 minis per side PLUS vehicles.

I wouldn't call that a skirmish.

Yeah, they're my opinions. I think I made that clear.

And I've also played in an entire ROOM back when we were enemies of the Soviets. The "game" lasted days and we didn't get to sleep for the duration.

If you want to bait me, remember this: I never get into a battle of wits with an un-armed man...

Regards! :lol:

 

[derek]

Oh, let's not talk scales again! That's been done to death.

If they changes the scale, they would have actually screwed anyone with the current ones.

What current ones? BF:E is a new product. There are no exsiting Mongoose miniatures for this game. All I'm saying was that if Mongoose had choosen a scale like 15mm they would have been able to draw on a huge resource of exsiting miniatures and terrain.

Cheers

Derek

 

[Doctor Warlock]

If you want to bait me, remember this: I never get into a battle of wits with an un-armed man...

Regards! :lol:

Its a good job I'm never unarmed then, oh and you left the 'T' off wits . . . . .

 

[MaxSteiner]

Oh, let's not talk scales again! That's been done to death.

If they changes the scale, they would have actually screwed anyone with the current ones.

What current ones? BF:E is a new product. There are no exsiting Mongoose miniatures for this game. All I'm saying was that if Mongoose had choosen a scale like 15mm they would have been able to draw on a huge resource of exsiting miniatures and terrain.

Cheers

Derek

And thats the exact reason why not
They gotta make money somewhere

 

[Doctor Warlock]

Oh, let's not talk scales again! That's been done to death.

If they changes the scale, they would have actually screwed anyone with the current ones.

What current ones? BF:E is a new product. There are no exsiting Mongoose miniatures for this game. All I'm saying was that if Mongoose had choosen a scale like 15mm they would have been able to draw on a huge resource of exsiting miniatures and terrain.

Cheers

Derek

15mm is such a dead scale though, only the smaller companies bother with it these days.

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

Oh, let's not talk scales again! That's been done to death.

If they changes the scale, they would have actually screwed anyone with the current ones.

What current ones? BF:E is a new product. There are no exsiting Mongoose miniatures for this game. All I'm saying was that if Mongoose had choosen a scale like 15mm they would have been able to draw on a huge resource of exsiting miniatures and terrain.

Cheers

Derek

And thats the exact reason why not
They gotta make money somewhere

The only 15mm I own are the original Citadel Traveller miniatures Lol!

 

[MaxSteiner]

I really like some of the 15mm Barsoom minatures someone makes...
Not very useful I know...
Could have been Peter Pig....
Eitherway I don't think its a hinderance that its only the small companies making 15mm, I think its a bit of a boon really since they're able to handle ranges which bigger companies wouldn't touch with a excrement covered stick, and are more inclined to support said ranges once they're out rather than just dropping it the minuite profits drop like EE does with epic every three years.

 

[derek]

And thats the exact reason why not
They gotta make money somewhere

Well if it was 15mm there would be a greater chance of getting existing historical gamers in. People are more likely to buy a rules set that they can use their exsiting miniatures with. Of course that wouldn't stop Mongoose from producing their own pre-painted 15mm to sell, let's face it based on what's been posted here there are definitely people who will buy well presented good quality pre-painted miniatures, regardless of scale. This also would allow people to source unusual vehicles and troops that for reasons of economy Mongoose can't produce. To be honest it wouldn't have to be 15mm but it mitigates that problem of overcrowding a average 4' by 6' table by covering it with multiple 28mm-30mm scale M1s and friends and opponents.

Of course this is my opinion and I don't expect Mongoose to go 'OMG!! stop we should do what Derek says'

But I will say this. BF:E leaves me a little bit underwhelmed. Personally all the usual suspects out of a bad near future techno-thriller lined up to fight in 'Central-Asian-County-astan' doesn't really grab me. I already have various sets sets of modern and sci-fi rules, I have miniatures, some already I own and a wish list of more to get. Seriously, unlike SST which had those cool arachnids what are the BF:E rules and miniatures going to offer me that I don't already have?

Cheers

Derek

 

[MaxSteiner]

Well I kinda imagine the rule book will be flexible enough to support 15mm play and theres so much out there they don't really need to release anything I'd assume might be their thinking. Actually I think Pictor played alot of SST 15mm using GZG's models didn't he, so theres even a precedent of some kind (Think he used to post battle reports on TMP)
I'm a lot less bound up in using official models than some people though... (Especially if you are buying the books)

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

Well I kinda imagine the rule book will be flexible enough to support 15mm play and theres so much out there they don't really need to release anything I'd assume might be their thinking. Actually I think Pictor played alot of SST 15mm using GZG's models didn't he, so theres even a precedent of some kind (Think he used to post battle reports on TMP)
I'm a lot less bound up in using official models than some people though... (Especially if you are buying the books)

Its only a matter of adjusting ranges, I have a friend who prefers 15mm Fantasy and has being playing Warhammer in that scale for years!

 

[MattRendar]

i play and love flames of war . 15 mm gives you a great scale

 

[Mr Evil]

have to say i love 15mm and 20mm for maodern warfare games as it works better for modern weaon ranges, and speed of mobility, i am having a problem seeing how BF-evo is gonna work realistily on a normal games table , its just gonna be a fire fest,

if bf evo was done in 20 mm we could use toy cars to line our streets and we could use train buildings to make our citys, would be a lot simper for players, we cold als use 1/72 scale tank kits to convert our tanks, pr to stand in while we wait for proper modles, also we would get modern players buying mongoose figs for there collection as they come prepainted modern wargamers would snap them up, and maybe evan give the rules a blast.

if battle feild evo comes out in 20mm scale il snap it up, if its gonna be 25/30 mm il tinker with it maybe,, maybe.... but fir modern warfare i has to be 15-20 mm all the wy for me.

 

[xeoran]

have to say i love 15mm and 20mm for maodern warfare games as it works better for modern weaon ranges, and speed of mobility, i am having a problem seeing how BF-evo is gonna work realistily on a normal games table , its just gonna be a fire fest,

if bf evo was done in 20 mm we could use toy cars to line our streets and we could use train buildings to make our citys, would be a lot simper for players, we cold als use 1/72 scale tank kits to convert our tanks, pr to stand in while we wait for proper modles, also we would get modern players buying mongoose figs for there collection as they come prepainted modern wargamers would snap them up, and maybe evan give the rules a blast.

if battle feild evo comes out in 20mm scale il snap it up, if its gonna be 25/30 mm il tinker with it maybe,, maybe.... but fir modern warfare i has to be 15-20 mm all the wy for me.

Well unless you do Modern skirmish which works well at 25mm-40mm.

 

[Mac V]

No ripping on 15mm here. I have a bunch of WWII Soviets and like them. I have always wanted to try 28mm WWII skirmish though. Seeing as we're getting modern first, I'll give it a shot. It would be easier to do terrain for 15mm, but I'm hoping Mongoose will help out with the mentioned terrain, at least buildings.

 

[Kristovich]

I dunno what's the problem with 28mm. No-one rants on how short range the weapons in Warhammer 40K or Warhammer Fantasy Battles, and that's 28mm.

Nobody rants on the short range in SST anymore either, so why rant now? It's a game, and yes, as someone said (the name escapes me at the moment), you can play with some nice pieces of paper if you'd like (heck, I've done it myself!) but isn't painted minis just cooler? If memory serves you played the early verisions of Warhammer Fantasy Battles with paper?