battlefield evoulution

[CudaHP]

I tyhink all of those insisting that the personal flying machine will NEVER happen should go back and read some news files about Bleriot (actually the first) and the Wright Brothersoriginal flights. Lot of pessimism then too. It will never really fly any distance, can't turn, no endurance etc. etc.

Yet in a 1911 edition of a approx. 30 volume Childrens Encyclopedia they included drawings of proposals including flying off the tops of skyscrapers in New York City.

Surprise, we do that all the time today. In fact Mongoose Headquarters has a Helicopter Landing Pad, doesn't it.

It took many years and an Immigrant (Igor Sikorsky) to develop the rotary wing concept to practicality.

Point is someone could have made a breakthrough years ago that simply is not common knowledge.

I worked in very High Security and technology which existed in the middle 1960' did not even hit SciFi movies until the 1980's or later. That was only things I had a "Need to Know".

5 to 10 years in the future who knows? The military will always use tech that gives them an edge, even if not completely safe.

Five feet up keeps my feet dry crossing lake, orevents mine detonation in a minefield. Good enough for a special ops unit.

 

[derek]

I tyhink all of those insisting that the personal flying machine will NEVER happen

G'Day

Well to be honest there are already 'personal flying machines', they're called ultralights And what about those old fashioned autogryos? At least they can really fly

I'll stop now this is too much like fun :lol:

Cheers

Derek

 

[Reaverman]

Yep! It's called hope it lands on its side or it's back.... And it's called baby steps. Do you hop into an experimental airframe and go zip around in it? Give it a few more years and we'll see what that thing can really do.



PAV examples:

1959


1957

LOL....I remember watching that episode of Mythbuster... Jamie strapped into the kit, and it going nowhere. I suppose they could remerchandise all of these, as large personal AC units :twisted:

The 1959 wotsit actually worked, but it only went up and down and had to be tethered. Also all of these conveyances suffer one flaw, you are one big target with no cover!

 

[Shipmonkey]

Put it this way. Is Flames of War a knock off of Battlefield 1942? Or are there fundamental differences in scale?

Flames of War might be considered a knock-off if they had chosen a name more closely associated with the computer property, for instance if it had been Battlefield: Flames of War.

 

[mthomason]

Flames of War might be considered a knock-off if they had chosen a name more closely associated with the computer property, for instance if it had been Battlefield: Flames of War.

Well, this is precisely why the IP laws don't allow EA to trademark the single word "Battlefield" - it would mean they would have sole ownership of a word in common use, and would unfairly prevent anyone else from putting it on their products.

 

[Hiromoon]

Yes.


That said, I can't wait to see the BF2 rules for BF:Ev

 

[DAWGIE]

DAWGIE here, better late than never, and totally in the dark about BEVO.

this is a strange _sounding question_but one i need to know about;

all squads/sections/groups _ARE NOT_ CREATED EQUAL !!!!!!

every country in the world has their own idea of how this tactical unit would be trained/armed/equipped/ and how many bods are in it at full strength_ BEFORE_ real life tosses kakky into the oscillating fan blades . . .

sooo, please, tell, how TO/E squads/sections/groups could all be pre-painted and boxed up ready to play with while keeping the price reasonable and universal for all regular, irregular, militias, and tribal combatants?


i really want to believe in this concept, but, MATT and ETC, being me, i cannot see how it can be done with quality sculpts, quality out of the box paint jobs, accurately depicted weapons/gear,organizations, etc for so many armed forces?


DAWGIE

 

[CudaHP]

Typical Dawgie, try asking a question after reading all the related posts.

There have been several hundred posts related to this.
Questions, answers and thus far MGP is not telling us how (might be proprietary processes) they have shown pictures and told us when the figures are coming.

As for covering every possible military unit in the world, that is not what MGP has said.

If you have read into this thread you would have found there are going to be four armies in the initial release, and not every possible unit in any army is going to be represented or released.

Also Dawgie, this is a GAME not a simulation. When you get too deeply bogged down with too many real world details you create a simulation not a game.

At no point does nor has MGP implied nor stated that all squads are created equal. That is an unfounded assumption on your part.

Within any formal military organization there does indeed appear to be a great deal of sameness to unit structure, i.e. US Army Infantry squads all share a general structure, so many troops armed in a certain pattern. The same is true with PLA, the various European Forces, USMC etc.

The Armies have structures that vary between Armies but tend toward an actual specific organization within each Army.

As for how this is to be accomplished in box sets, it has been stated numerous times that it is by way of new technological processes.

Why not just call it White Man's Magic and accept MGP's word on it until you get evidence to the contrary.

As for wanting to believe, the way you have phrased your post clearly contradicts that contention. The tone of your post is clearly one of "I want to believe, but I do not, so prove it. Grow up.

I know you Dawgie, and every time you start with one of your "Strange Sounding Questions" you seem to be seeking to start an argument, so don't. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

If you actually wanted to know this information go read all 600 to 800 messages related to this very subject (Battlefield Evolution) where all of your possible questions have been answered.

Do your "Due Diligence" before trying to go your normal overly agressive way. As I said Dawgie, I know you. :idea: :idea: :idea:

 

[mthomason]

sooo, please, tell, how TO/E squads/sections/groups could all be pre-painted and boxed up ready to play with while keeping the price reasonable and universal for all regular, irregular, militias, and tribal combatants?

Not entirely sure what you mean by "universal" pricing.

I would hope the cost per plastic figure would be universal. It would be unlike Mongoose to price the "less popular" armies more just because they don't produce as many of them.

I would assume the cost per points would not - obviously a USMC or European player is going to get "more bang for their buck" as they'll need to buy less boxed sets to reach, lets say 2000 points, than the other factions would. No different to any other miniatures game, really - just look at 40K Imperial Guard players

 

[byram]

Dawgie, i could, but then MGP would fire my ass from the design team ^_^

 

[DAWGIE]

GOOD MORNING ALL (MY TIME)!


WELL, GO FOR YOU SURFER DEWD! glad to know the "you know me", and etc. oh dear! now i will lie awake at night wondering who you are!
:roll:

well, lemme, see here. as to reading all 600 -800 previous posts on this subject, i have a tad more going on in my world than just wargaming right now, so that is just not gonna happen! :lol:


as far as growing up, why should i bother at this late date in my life? :roll: :lol: :wink:


i was hoping that the game would eventually include more than basic forces, which also seems to be the interest of other folks here as well.


asking how this detailed painting would be done is a normal question, too me thinks.


as far as accepting this as "white" or "black" man's magic, i must confess that i not believe in either type of magic!


simulation, well that is right up there with virtual reality combat training/video games as far as i am concerned! it is all just a game played out on the table top with miniatures, cardboard counters or on a monitor interacting with a computer program! i much prefer FUN gaming with miniatures to headaches, heartburn, and a bonfire in the locale of that itching burning sensation soooo many folks seem to suffer from in the wargaming community!


although i do admit to enjoying some video games, especially the type where i get to creep about, shoot holes in things/people, and blow up stuff now and again!


lemme see, i just think i remembered that in at least one alternate history gaming system SAN LOUIS OBISCO is also known as NIGHT CITY (or is it known as KNIGHT CITY?), a place where money talks, male bovine feces walks, random violence and cyber-psychos are normal events along with posers, dopers, and etc?


this is your home town? psycho punk central? i have spent many pleasant hours gaming in that hell hole, as well as the one further north along the WEST COAST, where the shadowrunners play.


both fine games!


anyway, folks i am looking forward to seeing these new toys, and i am certain i can always play with them using other rules if i do not like the official ones (a long, long time feature of my style of gaming! giant bugs in the SOUDAN, anyone? the thin red line versus the green hordes of BOYZ swinging choppas, stickas and arrer shooters in COLONIAL NORTH AMERICA? 20th century soldiers fighting zombies, giant bugs, other mutant monsters, and invaders from space?).

DAWGIE, off to face off against the "ENDLESS STORM" OF KAR KABALLA with his 1890s AMERICAN soldiers, marines, and sailors . . .

 

[DAWGIE]

MATT, what i meant by "universal" and reasonable " pricing as that basically, you get what i am going to assume is a "wasted" (reduced in size from full strength to around 6 - 8 bods) foot slogging infantry squad/section for each faction, original OR additional releases, or the smaller mech infantry/cavalry dismount squad/section at TO/E strength with the appropriate type of IFV to go with them.


i am also assuming these boxed sets would also come with a games points cost for them to allow the rapid construction of a "points games" as well as the more open ended scenario driven battles that tend to igor points balance and level playing field "tabletop combat".



inspite of SURFER DEWD's comments, i am interested in the possibiblies that this idea offers.


as far as painting/converting goes, i like to paint my own stuff and lurv the way plastics convert with minimal fuss and bother.


have a nice day MATT!



DAWGIE

 

[DAWGIE]

:lol:


BYRAM, i would like to be a fly on the wall and have an insider view, but i would never , ever place your job in jeopardy by asking y'all to do so!


i can wait, wonder, and watch like everyone else.


by the way i am a huge fan of vehicle mounted or emplaced M2 HMGs, but do not want to be any where in the area when it comes time to break down and manpack MA DEUCE about!


tends to deffo take the "light" out of my former "light infantry MOS". . .



DAWGIE

 

[CudaHP]

At least Dawgie, I do not hide behind an anonymous location, use foul language, threaten others, or cast slurs and aspersions on where others live.

As for your life being too full to be bothered to read answers already given to questions previously asked. that is your perogative, isn't it.

As I have never mentioned "Black Man's Magic" never even heard the term used before, I have no idea what you mean.

The phrase "White Mans Magic" comes from my Indian ancestors statements regarding technology they did not have the background to understand. It also relates to a quote that I do not remember the precise source of, "Any technology sufficiently advanced will appear as and be regarded as Magic".

Most importantly you obviously missed or simply ignored the part of my post which stated that although there were hundreds of posts your specific question regarding how the painting is done had not been answered, and in fact still has not been answered.

Try using my sign in name when you are quoting me, it is considered to be more polite and less insulting. It is CudaHP. I have never surfed other than big wave body surfing, was never able to catch small waves, when body surfing. I have done Open Ocean Kayaking, Wave Kayaking where you ride waves similar to surfing but in a Kayak, snorkle and scuba diving.

Scuba diving in 15 feet of water with 10 foot surf breaking over head is a rush. Do it wrong and you burst an eardrum or two. It even has the potential for getting the bends in shallow water if you are not extremely careful.

So Surfer Dewd (Dude???) is quite inappropriate. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Since you were a light infantryman you should know all about my old MOS 72B40-D1. Think on it. Thats an inside joke son, I say, a joke. :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you do not know what that MOS designated circa 1966 to 1970 then 1975 to 1978 no big deal you will simply not understand the joke. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[emperorpenguin]

It also relates to a quote that I do not remember the precise source of, "Any technology sufficiently advanced will appear as and be regarded as Magic".:

Arthur C Clarke! Do I get a prize!?

 

[Mac V]

My applause is your prize.

 

[CudaHP]

Thanks emperorpenguin!!,

I was thinking it might be Athur C Clarke but was not certain so I hesitated to attribute the quote to him.

Your prize, I'll try to be nicer to you. Hee, hee. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I love that quote though. There is so much technological change today that I have to admit, I may not know all of the technology involved but I can still press the big red BUTTON.

Thanks again, maybe my swiss cheese memory will retain that info this time, maybe. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[CmdrKiley]

Well one thing I'd have to say that I'm looking foward to is PLA troops. Why, because NOBODY makes them!!!!!! Provided the sculpts are decent quality I'll be buying up bunches of them for opposing forces. I've been interested in getting into some modern combat stuff, bought Modern Ops and downloaded the Dogs of War demo rules and really like them both. However, the sculpts from Devil Dog Designs and The Assault Group have not thoroughly impressed me enough. The US Marines I've seen from Black Scorpion however are really looking very very tempting however.

So hear this Mongoose, nobody makes PLA or even North Koreans yet! Even if people don't play BFEvo they'll be buying your PLA stuff for sure!!!!!

 

[Mac V]

That's one nice thing with these figs. You really can use ANY rules you like.

 

[derek]

That's one nice thing with these figs. You really can use ANY rules you like.

G'Day

Yes, more's the pity Mongoose didn't decide to go with a 15mm miniature scale. That would have allowed BF:E palyers make use of a large amount of exsiting 15mm, 1/100th scale miniatures and terrain.

Cheers

Derek