The-Patriot
Mongoose
Lol if you want to see live action trailers of the stuff, head on over to the FCS site.
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Battlefield Evolution in Real Life
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Locutus9956
Mongoose
Erm I think the OICW was cancelled even before the XM8 wasnt it? The XM8 project sort of grew out of what was left of it as I understoood it. Shame though as I liked them too 
The-Patriot
Mongoose
OICW - Objective Individual Combat Weapon program
"The central idea of the program was to develop a rifle that enabled the attacking of targets behind cover by using airburst munitions. The munitions were to be much smaller than pre-existing grenades and grenade launchers, but large enough to be effective. The idea was refined into a combination of a short assault rifle and semi-automatic, low-velocity cannon firing air-bursting munitions."
There have been alot of OICW programs, and theres new ones still going today.
But im just talking about FCS systems, and how they can connect their soldiers to a networked system.
Basicly USMC forces would be able to identify enemy targets without having to see them, be able to call for air support and strikes seconds before the enemy attack.
Much like how Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter shows the ghosts fighting a few years from now. I question how Battlefield evolution would balance it out, war isn't fair, and I don't think any ammount of MEA or PLA troops can fight an enemy with such technology.
"The central idea of the program was to develop a rifle that enabled the attacking of targets behind cover by using airburst munitions. The munitions were to be much smaller than pre-existing grenades and grenade launchers, but large enough to be effective. The idea was refined into a combination of a short assault rifle and semi-automatic, low-velocity cannon firing air-bursting munitions."
There have been alot of OICW programs, and theres new ones still going today.
But im just talking about FCS systems, and how they can connect their soldiers to a networked system.
Basicly USMC forces would be able to identify enemy targets without having to see them, be able to call for air support and strikes seconds before the enemy attack.
Much like how Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter shows the ghosts fighting a few years from now. I question how Battlefield evolution would balance it out, war isn't fair, and I don't think any ammount of MEA or PLA troops can fight an enemy with such technology.
Locutus9956
Mongoose
Technology is great but it can still only go so far. Superior numbers of lower tech forces can still win.
As an example try 1 F22 vs 300 Fokker DR-1 Triplanes. Now the F22 would fly rings round them and shred them from ranges they can only dream of but if they all fly towards it and fire chances are it WILL get hit and die.
Same way a squad on the ground with all the gadgets on earth can still be surrounded shot and killed. Their fancy sat tracking systems and thermal imaging might well let them know just how screwed they are in advance of course but....
Of course there is a limit to this, there are levels of tech that are not beatable with any number of people too. For example one Iowa class battleship I rather suspect will not be beatable with any number of people standing on the shore throwing rocks at it... (on the other hand if you have enough people they could in theory swim out and board it...)
As an example try 1 F22 vs 300 Fokker DR-1 Triplanes. Now the F22 would fly rings round them and shred them from ranges they can only dream of but if they all fly towards it and fire chances are it WILL get hit and die.
Same way a squad on the ground with all the gadgets on earth can still be surrounded shot and killed. Their fancy sat tracking systems and thermal imaging might well let them know just how screwed they are in advance of course but....
Of course there is a limit to this, there are levels of tech that are not beatable with any number of people too. For example one Iowa class battleship I rather suspect will not be beatable with any number of people standing on the shore throwing rocks at it... (on the other hand if you have enough people they could in theory swim out and board it...)
The-Patriot
Mongoose
Thats true.
However US military has enough to field without the risk of being overwhelmed, which is why it's all about quality over quantity.
If you can stop the enemy reaching your own soil you don't have much to worry about when it comes to numbers.
Yet your point still stands on the table top... where the metal meets the meat, where the quality will take quantity head on.
WHO WILL WIN?!
well thats upto us I guess
However US military has enough to field without the risk of being overwhelmed, which is why it's all about quality over quantity.
If you can stop the enemy reaching your own soil you don't have much to worry about when it comes to numbers.
Yet your point still stands on the table top... where the metal meets the meat, where the quality will take quantity head on.
WHO WILL WIN?!
well thats upto us I guess
Locutus9956
Mongoose
Well for a very obvious MGP games example of good old quantity over quality just look at bug armies in SST 
Sure the MI may have ludicrous firepower and the ability to cut down whole swathes of bugs at a time but they just keep coming
Sure the MI may have ludicrous firepower and the ability to cut down whole swathes of bugs at a time but they just keep coming Heh. That reminds me of a quote from a game, Alpha Centauri, that seems to fit in here. Just let me dig it out....
*digs*
....Ah! Here we go:
On another note:
The OICW program wasn't canceled per say. Originally it was all one big design (the XM29 SABR) that was broken up into three smaller programs:
OICW-1, the assault rifle that was going to be the XM8; OICW-2, the grenade launcher, currently the XM25, which is currently undergoing field testing; and OICW-3, combining -1 and -2 back into a single weapons system, (originally) the XM29.
Upon cancellation of the XM8, the Army was going to have another competition to chose another assault rifle to take its place in the OICW-1 program. They cancelled that as well. However, I can find no evidence of them dropping OICW-1 and, in consequence, OICW-3. OICW-2, as mentioned before, is still going strong, and might be fielded next year (as far as I know. I'm not Hiromoon
).
Admittedly, the XM29 is not going to make the 2010 release date originally planned. However, Considering BF:E takes place 10-15 years from now, with FFW possibly making an appearance, it isn't too far of a stretch to believe that by this time the Army has worked out the kinks in the design. Whether it looks like it did before (probably with a different assault rifle portion. Can you imagine a modified SCAR or HK416 on the original design?) or becomes completely different is up to the developers. (As an example of a different design, the videogame Frontlines: Fuels of War has an interesting battle rifle layout with an underbarrel pump-action 20mm grenade launcher)
Hey, I said I was an OICW junky.
*digs*
....Ah! Here we go:
On another note:
The OICW program wasn't canceled per say. Originally it was all one big design (the XM29 SABR) that was broken up into three smaller programs:
OICW-1, the assault rifle that was going to be the XM8; OICW-2, the grenade launcher, currently the XM25, which is currently undergoing field testing; and OICW-3, combining -1 and -2 back into a single weapons system, (originally) the XM29.
Upon cancellation of the XM8, the Army was going to have another competition to chose another assault rifle to take its place in the OICW-1 program. They cancelled that as well. However, I can find no evidence of them dropping OICW-1 and, in consequence, OICW-3. OICW-2, as mentioned before, is still going strong, and might be fielded next year (as far as I know. I'm not Hiromoon
).Admittedly, the XM29 is not going to make the 2010 release date originally planned. However, Considering BF:E takes place 10-15 years from now, with FFW possibly making an appearance, it isn't too far of a stretch to believe that by this time the Army has worked out the kinks in the design. Whether it looks like it did before (probably with a different assault rifle portion. Can you imagine a modified SCAR or HK416 on the original design?) or becomes completely different is up to the developers. (As an example of a different design, the videogame Frontlines: Fuels of War has an interesting battle rifle layout with an underbarrel pump-action 20mm grenade launcher)
Hey, I said I was an OICW junky.
lastbesthope
Mongoose
byram said:
Don't be silly, you know Evil can't read! :lol:
LBH
(Just kidding Evil)
The-Patriot
Mongoose
RusVal said:Heh. That reminds me of a quote from a game, Alpha Centauri, that seems to fit in here. Just let me dig it out....
*digs*
....Ah! Here we go:
On another note:
The OICW program wasn't canceled per say. Originally it was all one big design (the XM29 SABR) that was broken up into three smaller programs:
OICW-1, the assault rifle that was going to be the XM8; OICW-2, the grenade launcher, currently the XM25, which is currently undergoing field testing; and OICW-3, combining -1 and -2 back into a single weapons system, (originally) the XM29.
Upon cancellation of the XM8, the Army was going to have another competition to chose another assault rifle to take its place in the OICW-1 program. They cancelled that as well. However, I can find no evidence of them dropping OICW-1 and, in consequence, OICW-3. OICW-2, as mentioned before, is still going strong, and might be fielded next year (as far as I know. I'm not Hiromoon
Admittedly, the XM29 is not going to make the 2010 release date originally planned. However, Considering BF:E takes place 10-15 years from now, with FFW possibly making an appearance, it isn't too far of a stretch to believe that by this time the Army has worked out the kinks in the design. Whether it looks like it did before (probably with a different assault rifle portion. Can you imagine a modified SCAR or HK416 on the original design?) or becomes completely different is up to the developers. (As an example of a different design, the videogame Frontlines: Fuels of War has an interesting battle rifle layout with an underbarrel pump-action 20mm grenade launcher)
Hey, I said I was an OICW junky.
Research and testing shows that the XM29 can be up to 500% more effective than present small arms. However, the program has been effectively cancelled due to problems with cost, weight, bulk, and the lack of lethality of the airburst round. The final prototypes of the XM29 weighed in at about five and a half kilograms when empty, and nearly seven when loaded. Soldiers also complained of the sheer bulk of the weapon system. Regarding cost, some experts even commented that the idea of the XM29 "...seems to make a soldier so expensive to field that he can't be risked in combat."
So yes I also doubt the XM29 will make the release date of 2010 :lol:
Also the XM8 entered as a candidate for the SCAR competition but was unsuccessful.
The FN SCAR won the competition.
The-Patriot
Mongoose
Hiromoon said:
Regardless of how good the XM8 may or may not have been, it doesn't make any difference.
It's just a cancelled rifle that seems to have a fan base around here.
Sgt. Brassones
Mongoose
lastbesthope said:
We know he can't spell, reading isn't that far behind.
The-Patriot
Mongoose
Sgt. Brassones said:lastbesthope said:
We know he can't spell, reading isn't that far behind.
LOL
You guys are killing me.
