antifighter
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Hi Bernie!
After all fighters and ships have moved, check to see if there are fighter stands within 2" of any ships with Anti-Fighter traits. Measure peg of ship to fighter base/counter edge.
If so, the ship player allocates dice equal to their AF trait amongst those fighter flights in 2", splitting the total between multiple flights as they see fit.
Roll the dice, and every one that matches or beats the Fighter Hull value generally kills a flight. No Dodge is allowed.
Fighters in dogfights with your own fighters are not eligible.
Some fighters, like Shadows, may have Shields. In the Shadow's case, this means TWO hits are required per flight.
Advanced AF gives a +1 on the roll, thus treating the Fighter Hull as if 1 lower.
AF traits "reload" at the end of the next Movement phase.
That's about it, I think.
-Dale
After all fighters and ships have moved, check to see if there are fighter stands within 2" of any ships with Anti-Fighter traits. Measure peg of ship to fighter base/counter edge.
If so, the ship player allocates dice equal to their AF trait amongst those fighter flights in 2", splitting the total between multiple flights as they see fit.
Roll the dice, and every one that matches or beats the Fighter Hull value generally kills a flight. No Dodge is allowed.
Fighters in dogfights with your own fighters are not eligible.
Some fighters, like Shadows, may have Shields. In the Shadow's case, this means TWO hits are required per flight.
Advanced AF gives a +1 on the roll, thus treating the Fighter Hull as if 1 lower.
AF traits "reload" at the end of the next Movement phase.
That's about it, I think.
-Dale
The fighter article in S&P50 says that the Shadow Fighter shield does work against AF:
"The shadow fighter has the unique distinction of being the only fighter with the shields trait. Unfortunately this doesn’t protect them in a dogfight, however it does make them especially difficult ships to kill with anti-fighter defences."
The Escort article in S&P has me scratching my head though. It seems you can shoot at fighters that just got into a dogfight(as per their discussion about donating AF dice to fighters). I find it kind of weird that Escorts can magically pick out fighters from friendlies 8" away, but can't hit enemies uncluttered by friendlies 2.1" away. Is there some wording that I am missing that says you cannot fire into a dogfight that was going on at the beginning of the turn? That would explain the article somewhat. Also, being able to use AF against NEW dogfights makes The Vorlon Fighter's AF usable.
"The shadow fighter has the unique distinction of being the only fighter with the shields trait. Unfortunately this doesn’t protect them in a dogfight, however it does make them especially difficult ships to kill with anti-fighter defences."
The Escort article in S&P has me scratching my head though. It seems you can shoot at fighters that just got into a dogfight(as per their discussion about donating AF dice to fighters). I find it kind of weird that Escorts can magically pick out fighters from friendlies 8" away, but can't hit enemies uncluttered by friendlies 2.1" away. Is there some wording that I am missing that says you cannot fire into a dogfight that was going on at the beginning of the turn? That would explain the article somewhat. Also, being able to use AF against NEW dogfights makes The Vorlon Fighter's AF usable.
- will have alook and see if I can find it ..............Harry Lonsdale
Mongoose
Don't take those tactics articles as gospel--they often have rules errors in them (they also mentioned this week that the Pak'ma'ra Halik escort can create a plasma web, but failed to say that it can only do so in conjuction with a squadron mate).
The shields issue was IIRC part of the blanket statement that AF ignores traits.
The shields issue was IIRC part of the blanket statement that AF ignores traits.
Harry Lonsdale
Mongoose
Page 28, under Anti-Fighter Weaponry:
"[AF and AAF] will not be affected affected by a ship being Crippled or under Special Actions, nor will they be affected by traits on fighters, such as Stealth."
It's a couple paragraphs after the reference to Dodge.
So Shields aren't specifically mentioned but would seem to be included.
"[AF and AAF] will not be affected affected by a ship being Crippled or under Special Actions, nor will they be affected by traits on fighters, such as Stealth."
It's a couple paragraphs after the reference to Dodge.
So Shields aren't specifically mentioned but would seem to be included.
ShopKeepJon
Mongoose
The shields seem to stop the hit, not the damage. The exact wording is...Ripple said:
If this were not the case, the Shadow Fighter's Shield trait would not even be able to protect it from normal ship weapons since they would still "hit" the ship...
However...
So... though there is no clear indication of whether this is a roll to "hit" or just a check to see if the trait is successfully used, the wording implies the latter.
It would seem that there is no "hit". The fighter is just destroyed by the successful trait check. If true, shields are useless against AF or AAF.
And, just to drive a nail into that little Shadow Baby's coffin...
Though this seems fairly clear, it would still be nice to get a definitive answer to all of this from the powers that be. A change to any of these would help the Shadow Fighter. Of course, almost any change would help the Shadow Fighter...:roll:
ShopKeepJon
Greg Smith
Mongoose
That is correct. The Anti-fighter is not a weapon, it does not attack, it does not cause hits, in the game definition of those words.
If it was a weapon, it would be affected by Special Actions, such as Close Blast Doors! It would also be affected by skeleton crewing and weapon criticals.
