bartlebyfosco
Cosmic Mongoose
In theory, if there is a problem, they won't be the same. That is one way for me to see it is working.
Another System Generator: As Above So Below
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Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
I'll take your word for it.
bartlebyfosco
Cosmic Mongoose
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
I spot checked a few worlds and they look right.
bartlebyfosco
Cosmic Mongoose
A new release dropped this morning beginning a series of releases on routes and borders.
This am I promoted v0.10.0.1, which is focused on releasing the new Route Manager window and functionality.
Included in this release is:
a) Mixing custom and manual route creation
b) Fully customizable route colors and names and paths
c) Point to Point routes can be set by entering names rather than selecting hexes
d) Point to Point routes include waypoints
e) All routes created provide # legs and a list of destinations
I made a video walking through how to use it here:
Special thanks to everyone here for the great ideas and support.
What is coming next in this series of releases?
a) Automatic BTN travel route creation
b) Mongoose Generation fixes (thank you to @Dodo98 who has provided me a list of small fixes that need to be taken care of
c) Importing and exporting route xml
d) Borders (import/export), creation
Try it out here:
This am I promoted v0.10.0.1, which is focused on releasing the new Route Manager window and functionality.
Included in this release is:
a) Mixing custom and manual route creation
b) Fully customizable route colors and names and paths
c) Point to Point routes can be set by entering names rather than selecting hexes
d) Point to Point routes include waypoints
e) All routes created provide # legs and a list of destinations
I made a video walking through how to use it here:
Special thanks to everyone here for the great ideas and support.
What is coming next in this series of releases?
a) Automatic BTN travel route creation
b) Mongoose Generation fixes (thank you to @Dodo98 who has provided me a list of small fixes that need to be taken care of
c) Importing and exporting route xml
d) Borders (import/export), creation
Try it out here:
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
I like how the changes sound but am running into a glitch. When I load the universe, I can type Terra or Capital, but it does not populate the hex number using the point-to-point custom route.
Additionally, watching your video, did you scale back the max jump? I thought you raised it to 20. I thought I saw it capped at 8 in your video, which would stop using Hop 1 again.
Additionally, once I generate a route, I tried to click/double click on the number of segments to get the route list, but nothing happens.
I suspect the number of systems may be causing the issue.
Additionally, watching your video, did you scale back the max jump? I thought you raised it to 20. I thought I saw it capped at 8 in your video, which would stop using Hop 1 again.
Additionally, once I generate a route, I tried to click/double click on the number of segments to get the route list, but nothing happens.
I suspect the number of systems may be causing the issue.
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bartlebyfosco
Cosmic Mongoose
Hey @Terry Mixon.
I admit - I did not check the names against the OTU imports. So let me circle again and see if I can patch that quickly.
Can I ask: did you re-import the file or are you using your own previously saved JSON. I will check both but I would like to know what failed for you.
I admit - I did not check the names against the OTU imports. So let me circle again and see if I can patch that quickly.
Can I ask: did you re-import the file or are you using your own previously saved JSON. I will check both but I would like to know what failed for you.
Not intentionally. Let me check that too.
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Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
I imported it all fresh. Thanks.
bartlebyfosco
Cosmic Mongoose
OK patched. v0.10.0.2 is up:
1) Route manager works properly with OTU files (issue raised by @Terry Mixon)
2) Density now uses recommended linear distribution (and correct units on the UI) and is measured to the third decimal (issue raised by @Dodo98)
The below were Mongoose updates included in v0.10.0.1 but I did not mention:
1) diameter now calculated to the km and resulting calculations use the new diameter (issues raised by @Dodo98 and @Lurking Grue)
2) hydrographics now calculated to the 1% (issue raised by @Lurking Grue)
3) stellar information (number of starts and their stats) now on the Main Display (issue raised by @Lurking Grue)
Thanks all.
1) Route manager works properly with OTU files (issue raised by @Terry Mixon)
2) Density now uses recommended linear distribution (and correct units on the UI) and is measured to the third decimal (issue raised by @Dodo98)
The below were Mongoose updates included in v0.10.0.1 but I did not mention:
1) diameter now calculated to the km and resulting calculations use the new diameter (issues raised by @Dodo98 and @Lurking Grue)
2) hydrographics now calculated to the 1% (issue raised by @Lurking Grue)
3) stellar information (number of starts and their stats) now on the Main Display (issue raised by @Lurking Grue)
Thanks all.
bartlebyfosco
Cosmic Mongoose
OK this week's update has been promoted. v0.10.0.3. This series of updates is all about routes and borders (and bug fixes as always!). Routes finish (mostly) this week and borders in the next release next week.
Here is a list of this week's improvements:
1. **Routes:** Reintroduced increased jump range limit from 6 to 20 (noted by @Terry Mixon)
3. **Mongoose Engine:** Rewrote HZCO deviation formula to use a continuous linear scale (sub-1 orbits scaled ×10) giving physically correct temperature classifications for inner-system worlds (thanks to @Dodo98 )
4. **Routes:** Implemented BTN Trade Route generation (GURPS Far Trader inspired) — computes Basic Trade Number for all world pairs within range, draws routes for pairs meeting Min/Max BTN thresholds, promotes partial-success pairs whose BFS paths share a segment, and enforces no-shared-segment priority between competing BTN route slots (this was for me!)
5. **Routes:** Xboat, Network, and BTN route generators now avoid Red travel zones and X starport worlds as intermediate routing hops (endpoints may still be Red)
6. **Routes:** Added Import Metadata (.xml) and Export Metadata (.xml) buttons for TravellerMap-format sector XML files (requested by mavikfelna at Mongoose Forums)
7. **Export:** Fixed Ix, Ex, and Cx not being populated when exporting a Mongoose-generated sector.
8. **Routes:** Added "Allow Empty Hexes" option to Custom Network and Point-to-Point route generators (requested Spinward Flow at COTI. )
9. **All Engines:** Added freeform **Cluster** field to all systems — displayed in the world info panel below Allegiance, editable inline (up to 10 characters), bulk-assignable via right-click context menu, and filterable in the Filter Control window using the same prefix-match OR logic as Allegiance; persists in JSON saves (requested by @Spinward Flow at COTI)
I also have a help file for routes:
github.com
As always the app is free to use and here:
Here is a list of this week's improvements:
1. **Routes:** Reintroduced increased jump range limit from 6 to 20 (noted by @Terry Mixon)
3. **Mongoose Engine:** Rewrote HZCO deviation formula to use a continuous linear scale (sub-1 orbits scaled ×10) giving physically correct temperature classifications for inner-system worlds (thanks to @Dodo98 )
4. **Routes:** Implemented BTN Trade Route generation (GURPS Far Trader inspired) — computes Basic Trade Number for all world pairs within range, draws routes for pairs meeting Min/Max BTN thresholds, promotes partial-success pairs whose BFS paths share a segment, and enforces no-shared-segment priority between competing BTN route slots (this was for me!)
5. **Routes:** Xboat, Network, and BTN route generators now avoid Red travel zones and X starport worlds as intermediate routing hops (endpoints may still be Red)
6. **Routes:** Added Import Metadata (.xml) and Export Metadata (.xml) buttons for TravellerMap-format sector XML files (requested by mavikfelna at Mongoose Forums)
7. **Export:** Fixed Ix, Ex, and Cx not being populated when exporting a Mongoose-generated sector.
8. **Routes:** Added "Allow Empty Hexes" option to Custom Network and Point-to-Point route generators (requested Spinward Flow at COTI. )
9. **All Engines:** Added freeform **Cluster** field to all systems — displayed in the world info panel below Allegiance, editable inline (up to 10 characters), bulk-assignable via right-click context menu, and filterable in the Filter Control window using the same prefix-match OR logic as Allegiance; persists in JSON saves (requested by @Spinward Flow at COTI)
I also have a help file for routes:
traveller_magnus/help_routes.md at main · bartlebythecoder/traveller_magnus
Proof of Concept for a new Traveller Map Generation Application - bartlebythecoder/traveller_magnus
github.com
As always the app is free to use and here:
Fluffy Bunny Feet
Emperor Mongoose
Much more primitive but back in Challenge 25 there is a program of historical interest.
"TRAVELLER SECTOR GENERATOR
This program is written in Applesoft Basic for the Apple II series of computers. Minor changes may be necessary (primarily in disk access) for the program to work on other machine"
Here are the first few lines:
1000 TEXT HOME : PRINT "TRAVELLER SECTOR GENERATOR"
1010 PRINT THIS PROGRAM GENERATES WORLD UPP DATA FOR TRAVELLER. COPYRIGHT @1986 GAME DESIGNERS' WORKSHOP, INC. PO BOX 1646, BLOOMINGTON, IL 61702.
Final lines:
4270 END
5000 REM BY MARC W. MILLER
Haven't tried to get it to run. Never was very good with basic back then and never used Apple anything. I'm considering maybe trying to get it to work under GW Basic and then maybe try and update to QBasic (never really tried that either). Never did enough to consider myself even a lousy programmer, but might be able to handle this if I get around to it.
"TRAVELLER SECTOR GENERATOR
This program is written in Applesoft Basic for the Apple II series of computers. Minor changes may be necessary (primarily in disk access) for the program to work on other machine"
Here are the first few lines:
1000 TEXT HOME : PRINT "TRAVELLER SECTOR GENERATOR"
1010 PRINT THIS PROGRAM GENERATES WORLD UPP DATA FOR TRAVELLER. COPYRIGHT @1986 GAME DESIGNERS' WORKSHOP, INC. PO BOX 1646, BLOOMINGTON, IL 61702.
Final lines:
4270 END
5000 REM BY MARC W. MILLER
Haven't tried to get it to run. Never was very good with basic back then and never used Apple anything. I'm considering maybe trying to get it to work under GW Basic and then maybe try and update to QBasic (never really tried that either). Never did enough to consider myself even a lousy programmer, but might be able to handle this if I get around to it.
bartlebyfosco
Cosmic Mongoose
I have the same article and review that from time to time. There were two types of programmers back then. Those that would have skipped line 1010 and those that would have type it out word for word.
I'd like to go back in time to young Marc, hand him Geir's WBH, and ask him to code that out in BASIC.
bartlebyfosco
Cosmic Mongoose
I really thought I would have the latest release out by now. It was supposed to be easy. The focus was on (1) some tightening in the Mongoose HZCO temperature bands and atmosphere mix formulas with help from @Dodo98's research and (2) some new fancy colorful borders functions.
Adding manual borders via highlighting and right-clicking-> super easy. Done and working.
Reading the border metadata from Travellermap to produce borders that match travellermap -> killing me.
But I have broken the back on the monster and am now going through and nailing loose floorboards on the Imperium borders (there are like 45 different borders!?!). I have not yet looked at the entire Universe that @Terry Mixon uses (I admit I am frightened to do so). But once the Imperium is done I expect the rest will fall in place.
But I expect we are well on our way and hope to have borders complete this week.
Adding manual borders via highlighting and right-clicking-> super easy. Done and working.
Reading the border metadata from Travellermap to produce borders that match travellermap -> killing me.
But I have broken the back on the monster and am now going through and nailing loose floorboards on the Imperium borders (there are like 45 different borders!?!). I have not yet looked at the entire Universe that @Terry Mixon uses (I admit I am frightened to do so). But once the Imperium is done I expect the rest will fall in place.
But I expect we are well on our way and hope to have borders complete this week.
bartlebyfosco
Cosmic Mongoose
Hi All,
A new version was uploaded this morning (v0.10.1.3).
Special thanks to @Dodo98, @Terry Mixon, and @mavikfelna for suggestions and feedback.
Updates include:
Borders and Regions can be created, deleted or modified in the program. Even borders and regions imported from the OTU can be adjusted.
A note on this version and the Imperium:
I thought I nailed exactly how Travellermap handles borders, but after hammering what i thought was every single loose floorboard, I still found some edge cases in final testing. Some examples include the New Slavic Solidarity and Reformed Dootchen Estates in the Solomani Sphere. Each have some inaccuracies. I decided to let this release go instead of holding the entire thing up for OTU edge cases. Of course these can be corrected in a few seconds by the user as that is the entire point of the program. I don't really know how much time to spend on these going forward (especially as they can be fixed easily). As always feedback is appreciated.
A new version was uploaded this morning (v0.10.1.3).
Special thanks to @Dodo98, @Terry Mixon, and @mavikfelna for suggestions and feedback.
Updates include:
- Routes: Raised Max Empty Jumps cap for Point-to-Point routes from 3 to 10; Custom Network remains capped at 3 (@spinward_flow COTI)
- Borders: New Border functionality including Border Window, import borders from metadatafiles or add them manually via right-click context menu. (@Terry Mixon)
- Region: Region Data import from TravellerMap metadata XML — parses <Regions> polygon boundaries using the same flood-fill algorithm as borders, assigns region names to each hex's Region (cluster) field, and automatically creates a background-highlight filter rule using the region's defined color (@mavikfelna)
- Mongoose Engine: Fixed missing HZCO deviation log entry for temperate (habitable-zone) planets — deviation and table selection are now recorded in the generation log for every planet regardless of temperature band (@Dodo98)
- Mongoose Engine: Updated temperature band calculation to match chart on Page 47 (@Dodo98)
- Mongoose Engine: Updated atmosphere gas mix for exotic atmospheres to limit gases to reasonable amount (@Dodo98)
Borders and Regions can be created, deleted or modified in the program. Even borders and regions imported from the OTU can be adjusted.
A note on this version and the Imperium:
I thought I nailed exactly how Travellermap handles borders, but after hammering what i thought was every single loose floorboard, I still found some edge cases in final testing. Some examples include the New Slavic Solidarity and Reformed Dootchen Estates in the Solomani Sphere. Each have some inaccuracies. I decided to let this release go instead of holding the entire thing up for OTU edge cases. Of course these can be corrected in a few seconds by the user as that is the entire point of the program. I don't really know how much time to spend on these going forward (especially as they can be fixed easily). As always feedback is appreciated.
bartlebyfosco
Cosmic Mongoose
Here is a video walking through the new features:
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
I downloaded the universe again and uploaded the Mongoose version of Foreven (with borders) to it. It looks great! Thanks!
bartlebyfosco
Cosmic Mongoose
Great to hear, thank you for letting me know. Feedback makes it all worth it.
I want the allegiances to work like borders, so they get imported and auto-assigned color slots that you can configure. That is coming next.
I want the allegiances to work like borders, so they get imported and auto-assigned color slots that you can configure. That is coming next.
bartlebyfosco
Cosmic Mongoose
Happy Monday everybody. New Release Day!
v0.10.2.1 was dropped this afternoon.
Thank you again to @Dodo98 and @Terry Mixon for taking time to test and provide feedback.
Here are the key new features and fixes:
1. Better OTU borders - OTU imported borders are more accurate.
2. Border fills available - checkbox in the settings to turn them off and on
3. Improved Import the Universe script - it is now a faster process
4. Download Route Details - a download icon appears in the routes menu to download the systems in the route (still being improved - you might need to open and close the route menu to see download options for new routes)
5. Mongoose Engine Fixes and Upgrades:
- Fixed bug missing diameter and mass for planets > size 9
- Fixed bug displaying TL > F as 10
- Improvement: planetary eccentricity calculation updated to match WBH
- Improvement: now use optional rules to incorporate Hill Sphere calculation in Moon generation calculation
- Improvement: atmosphere generation now incorporates optional gravity DMs
Try it out here:
Feel free to make suggestions or report bugs in this thread.
v0.10.2.1 was dropped this afternoon.
Thank you again to @Dodo98 and @Terry Mixon for taking time to test and provide feedback.
Here are the key new features and fixes:
1. Better OTU borders - OTU imported borders are more accurate.
2. Border fills available - checkbox in the settings to turn them off and on
3. Improved Import the Universe script - it is now a faster process
4. Download Route Details - a download icon appears in the routes menu to download the systems in the route (still being improved - you might need to open and close the route menu to see download options for new routes)
5. Mongoose Engine Fixes and Upgrades:
- Fixed bug missing diameter and mass for planets > size 9
- Fixed bug displaying TL > F as 10
- Improvement: planetary eccentricity calculation updated to match WBH
- Improvement: now use optional rules to incorporate Hill Sphere calculation in Moon generation calculation
- Improvement: atmosphere generation now incorporates optional gravity DMs
Try it out here:
Feel free to make suggestions or report bugs in this thread.
bartlebyfosco
Cosmic Mongoose
A new update. Today we added a system viewer and some other updates.
### [v0.11.0] - 2026-05-21
1. **System Viewer:** Zoom into system with details and see orbiting worlds and moons
2. **RTT World Gen:** Enable RTT World Gen exports; can now be imported into travellermap
3. **RTT World Gen:** Add settings to change default Settlement, TL value and use Industry instead of TL in UWP
4. **Mongoose Engine:** Added setting to force Minimal Sustainable Tech levels
5. **All Engines:** Added Mod and Max settings for Starport, Pop, and TL for customizing builds for colonies, frontiers etc
6. **Import TSV:** Fixed bug that did not clear sector chosen for import before importing
7. **Import Universe:** Added option to include Terry Mixon Foreven sector in Universe Import
See a short video of the system viewer here:
### [v0.11.0] - 2026-05-21
1. **System Viewer:** Zoom into system with details and see orbiting worlds and moons
2. **RTT World Gen:** Enable RTT World Gen exports; can now be imported into travellermap
3. **RTT World Gen:** Add settings to change default Settlement, TL value and use Industry instead of TL in UWP
4. **Mongoose Engine:** Added setting to force Minimal Sustainable Tech levels
5. **All Engines:** Added Mod and Max settings for Starport, Pop, and TL for customizing builds for colonies, frontiers etc
6. **Import TSV:** Fixed bug that did not clear sector chosen for import before importing
7. **Import Universe:** Added option to include Terry Mixon Foreven sector in Universe Import
See a short video of the system viewer here:
