Another sidebar: Why I do not hate d20 Conan

[PrinceYyrkoon]

I didnt say that you were the only one to comment unfavourably on ducks. And youre suffering from delusions if you think all posts are directed at you! (Thought Id give you a little bit of your reasoning back at you). Actually, Im hard pressed to find 'all this constant slagging of OGL'. Some of us are having a discussion.

Who else has mentioned ducks in this thread at all? Only person besides you and me that have mentioned them in this thread is Herve, and he was referring to my past, tongue in cheek comments about 'em. Since Herve is on your side of the system line I don't see how you could be referring to anybody else, unless you're referring to your "clockwork" attack on ducks as not even existing in this thread and were just saying it to say it. At which point, you have me thoroughly confused.

If youre only interested in discussing how great the OGL and the Hybor.ian Age are, theres not a lot to talk about. Ive actually found you to be, sometimes, reasonable. Dont get dragged into defending the OGL from allcomers, its only a game system.

And don't dictate to me what to value. I'll gladly discuss the OGL and Hyborian Age in this forum. THAT'S WHAT ITS FOR! And there's plenty to talk about. Ever go to www.conan.com ? There's years worth of analysis and threads there about the Hyborian Age, REH's writings, etc. Hell, this forum contains years worth of great fan discussion about both those same two things along with gaming in Conan's world. That's why I come to this board. To geek out about the Conan game and other Conan related media. If that's not what you come for, then why do you read/post here???

Oh, man. Hold out an olive branch and this guy'll eat it.

Theres been more than just you bang on about the old duck problem. 'I cant accept it! I just wont! Talking ducks! Have you ever?'.

And dude, if you value a roleplaying game engine enough to get all arsey about it being criticised, LIGHTLY, then I think its probably worth someone pointing out that you MAY be taking it all a bit serious like.

Calm down. You'll feel all silly in the morning.

 

[flatscan]

Oh, man. Hold out an olive branch and this guy'll eat it.

:?: WTF? Seriously.

Theres been more than just you bang on about the old duck problem. 'I cant accept it! I just wont! Talking ducks! Have you ever?'.

On this board? Really. Could you point to some of this alleged, other, duck-bashing? Also, I was responding to a post of yours where YOU QUOTED ONE OF MY POSTS. It's dishonest of you to claim now, that you weren't talking at me then.

And dude, if you value a roleplaying game engine enough to get all arsey about it being criticised, LIGHTLY, then I think its probably worth someone pointing out that you MAY be taking it all a bit serious like.

Oh, this is rich. Kinda of like you getting all arsey about criticism about races like ducks and RQ. :roll: Yeah, I value a game where I devote hours of my free time to in prep, on my blog, and during play. I'm passionate about this game and REH's fiction in general, ESPECIALLY Conan. Sue me.

 

[PrinceYyrkoon]

Oh, man. Hold out an olive branch and this guy'll eat it.

:?: WTF? Seriously.

Theres been more than just you bang on about the old duck problem. 'I cant accept it! I just wont! Talking ducks! Have you ever?'.

On this board? Really. Could you point to some of this alleged, other, duck-bashing? Also, I was responding to a post of yours where YOU QUOTED ONE OF MY POSTS. It's intellectually dishonest of you to claim now, that you weren't talking at me then.

And dude, if you value a roleplaying game engine enough to get all arsey about it being criticised, LIGHTLY, then I think its probably worth someone pointing out that you MAY be taking it all a bit serious like.

Oh, this is rich. Kinda of like you getting all arsey about criticism about races like ducks and RQ. :roll: Yeah, I value a game where I devote HOURS of my free time to in prep, on my blog, and during play. I'm passionate about this game and REH's fiction in general, ESPECIALLY Conan. Sue me.

Kay, kay, theres a communication breakdown somewhere here. Im not sure where we are. I think Ive been humorous, entertaining, and all that (I like to write my own reviews!), and youre all angry still.

Ducks are pretty difficult to consider seriously, I'll admit. I wont defend ducks for all that long, I think theyre kind of a hippy inclusion which seems a bit unsatisfactory now. And, Stafford must have been reading kids books when he came up with a name for Prax (Zax, across he Plains of Prax, from Dr. Seuss, I think, he borrowed the name Koromondol from the same book). Whatever, its just a fantasy creation, I think all those guys that devote their life to it are a bit lost, really.

Which brings me onto that thing youve just said, about being passionate about R E Howards fiction. Really? He was like a hack. Quite a gifted one, to be sure, and I can enjoy a story by him as much as the next man, but, hell, dont take it seriously. Its fantasy, its simplistic, easy-solutions, wizard-wears-black, fantasy from a guy who never travelled very far from his mums house, loosely held together with a borrowed backdrop from Lovecraft. Once you start to analyse his stuff on a literary level, it doesnt stand up, its one-dimensional comicbook froth. Its enjoyable, sure, but its not of high literary merit.

Dont take it seriously, hell, dont.

 

[flatscan]

Which brings me onto that thing youve just said, about being passionate about R E Howards fiction. Really? He was like a hack. Quite a gifted one, to be sure, and I can enjoy a story by him as much as the next man, but, hell, dont take it seriously. Its fantasy, its simplistic, easy-solutions, wizard-wears-black, fantasy from a guy who never travelled very far from his mums house, loosely held together with a borrowed backdrop from Lovecraft. Once you start to analyse his stuff on a literary level, it doesnt stand up, its one-dimensional comicbook froth. Its enjoyable, sure, but its not of high literary merit.

Dont take it seriously, hell, dont.

:shock:

You do realize that "hack" wrote volumes of fiction while in his 20s. Having just turned 30 on Monday I can appreciate how much effort writing all those short stories and poems while living in frakkin' Cross Plains Texas is. Also, he inspired the dude that wrote all about that Elric character in your signature not to mention Stephen King among other writers, artists, composers, and directors. Dude, you're the first person to make me wish there was an "ignore" button on this forum. We're done here. Have a day.

 

[PrinceYyrkoon]

Which brings me onto that thing youve just said, about being passionate about R E Howards fiction. Really? He was like a hack. Quite a gifted one, to be sure, and I can enjoy a story by him as much as the next man, but, hell, dont take it seriously. Its fantasy, its simplistic, easy-solutions, wizard-wears-black, fantasy from a guy who never travelled very far from his mums house, loosely held together with a borrowed backdrop from Lovecraft. Once you start to analyse his stuff on a literary level, it doesnt stand up, its one-dimensional comicbook froth. Its enjoyable, sure, but its not of high literary merit.

Dont take it seriously, hell, dont.

:shock:

You do realize that "hack" wrote volumes of fiction while in his 20s. Having just turned 30 on Monday I can appreciate how much effort writing all those short stories and poems while living in frakkin' Cross Plains Texas is. Also, he inspired the dude that wrote all about that Elric character in your signature not to mention Stephen King among other writers, artists, composers, and directors. Dude, you're the first person to make me wish there was an "ignore" button on this forum. We're done here. Have a day.

I wasnt being entirely serious. Though I dont suppose there was much else to do in Cross Plains Texas, no telly, no internet, just a bible and your mum to keep you warm at night. Quantity is no guarantee of quality, either.

I think Moorcock was (is) a much more intelligent writer. Moorcocks characters struggle (when written at their best, Im not saying he is a genius either), with concepts far deeper than any of Howards. I suppose you can get from a Conan story that civilization is bad, and savages and simple solutions are noble, (not really true, civilization is anything but bad). I dont share Howards mistrust of advancement, I dont think any sane person would. He values the idea of a Neitzeian superman. I dont have much truck with that idea, nor would any sane person. His stuffs alright for a bit of entertainment, as long as you dont aspire to the ideals.

 

[Strom]

Prince - You really should read more than 1 or 2 Conan stories before you pass review on Howard's entire 3.5 million words of prose/poetry.

You just revealed more about your cluelessness then anything anyone else could post.

Have you seen the Penguin Classics Robert E. Howard book coming soon? Penguin Classics - not bad for a hack. How about being published in a Libray of America book? Not bad - the LOA "publishing authoritative and unabridged editions of our nation's most significant writing."

It's easy to recognize "hack" - very easy. For most people. Talk about a bad review for RQ - you sold me to stay away from it. :lol:

 

[Supplement Four]

I think Moorcock was (is) a much more intelligent writer.

You are out of your mind.

 

[PrinceYyrkoon]

Prince - You really should read more than 1 or 2 Conan stories before you pass review on Howard's entire 3.5 million words of prose/poetry.

You just revealed more about your cluelessness then anything anyone else could post.

Have you seen the Penguin Classics Robert E. Howard book coming soon? Penguin Classics - not bad for a hack. How about being published in a Libray of America book? Not bad - the LOA "publishing authoritative and unabridged editions of our nation's most significant writing."

It's easy to recognize "hack" - very easy. For most people. Talk about a bad review for RQ - you sold me to stay away from it. :lol:

Hmm. I read my first Conan story when I was 14, lets see...in the seventies. Ive read them all, again and again, via book and comic (incl. Savage Sword of Conan, Kull and the Conquerors, Worms of the Earth, Sowers of Thunder, etc., etc.). I think my coverage of Howard is pretty good.

I worry for this civilization where these things are seen as classics. You know Russ Mayers titfests are seen as classic art these days? Its no guarantee of quality.

"publishing authoritative and unabridged editions of our nation's most significant writing." You believe that bull?

Theyre just fantasy yarns man, at odds with the symbolist literature of the time, you know, where the real heavyweights were at.

And if I put you off buying or playing Runequest, well, so what?

 

[rabindranath72]

Sigh. Then one wonders why flamewars start. From one crap setting to a crap game system. Sigh

I don't need to wonder. Your and PrinceYrkoon's posts are meant to antagonize me. Sorry you wasted your effort. I will not stoop to personal attacks. For all I know, despite these last couple of posts, you may be decent human beings that just have tastes that differ from mine. Oh well, it's a big world. But as I've already stated, I don't take my opinions of RuneQuest to a RuneQuest board. I can't fathom why you'd want me to either.

You know what the funniest thing about all this is? My response to RuneQuest and Glorantha is a reaction to the constant slagging of OGL Conan. If it weren't for you guys dredging all this up my attitude to RQ and it's setting would be full of 'meh' at worst. But these days, by Crom, I would love to see every single copy of the RQ game books roasted in the heat of a thousand suns. :lol:

You give yourself too much credit. I do not care about you, really, so I am not out to antagonise you at all.
And when I say "the game is crap" it is not a personal insult (unless you are the author of said game, perhaps). And even then, it's about the object, not the person.
Quite different from "I will come and get your wife" etc. etc. But it seems that lots of people here takes games as personal insults, and resorts to real personal insults to drive the point. I will not come to this, though, and joke on the wife of anyone. I will happily keep on crapping on d20, though, whenever I feel.

Finally, I don't care a IOTA about RQ. So, crap on it as you wish. I like BRP and Stormbringer. Feel free to crap on them as you wish, too. But if you start getting personal, I feel free to get personal, too.

Regarding the big roast...we will see it soon with d20 Conan :twisted: . RQ has been around here for the last 30 years, not the same fate of d20, it seems.

 

[rabindranath72]

Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.

Should I understand you aren't civilized?

I am as much a savage as you are civilised. With all the Howardian consequences :twisted:

 

[rabindranath72]

Thanks, at least you understand jokes when other take it as personal insult.

Well, some people cannot take criticism at GAMES, some others cannot take jokes at their wives. It's the same thing, isn't it? :shock: :roll: :?

From now on I will do everything I can to crap on d20. C'est la vie :twisted:

 

[The King]

Well, some people cannot take criticism at GAMES, some others cannot take jokes at their wives. It's the same thing, isn't it? :shock: :roll: :? :twisted:

I don't care of games criticism, but Strom began joking with wives and games.
When you begin bombing don't you ever expect retribution or do you always feel you have a safe-conduct from God?

 

[rabindranath72]

Well, some people cannot take criticism at GAMES, some others cannot take jokes at their wives. It's the same thing, isn't it? :shock: :roll: :? :twisted:

I don't care of games criticism, but Strom began joking with wives and games.
When you begin bombing don't you ever expect retribution or do you always feel you have a safe-conduct from God?

And you felt you had to continue Strom's conduct.
I expect the answer is in tone with the subject. I criticise games, you criticise games. Personal attacks are cheap shots, and not warranted, really. They do not speak very highly of the author. I can respect someone's opinion if different from mine. I can accept you "crap" on my preferred games (who cares, really?). I lost the respect I might have had for some of you.

 

[Strom]

And you felt you had to continue Strom's conduct.

It was an analogy! Geez! Haven't you ever used an analogy - it wasn't a joke just an attempt to convey the feeling of why we defend the Mongoose Conan RPG here on the Mongoose Conan RPGn forum. King took it to another level of inappropriateness - which I ignored because it was so juvenile. I believe my analogy was very well done and I wish others would've continued my conduct of excellent analogy use.

 

[The King]

And you felt you had to continue Strom's conduct.

It was an analogy! Geez! Haven't you ever used an analogy - it wasn't a joke just an attempt to convey the feeling of why we defend the Mongoose Conan RPG here on the Mongoose Conan RPGn forum. King took it to another level of inappropriateness - which I ignored because it was so juvenile. I believe my analogy was very well done and I wish others would've continued my conduct of excellent analogy use.

Mine was also the same thing prolonging what I considered a joke. If it wasn't and you really consider a game has as much value as a woman (or say a human being), then I wonder why you didn't go amok at the last game convention, shooting at all the crowd which might insult (your wife) edit: your game.

 

[The King]

And you felt you had to continue Strom's conduct.
I expect the answer is in tone with the subject. I criticise games, you criticise games. Personal attacks are cheap shots, and not warranted, really. They do not speak very highly of the author. I can respect someone's opinion if different from mine. I can accept you "crap" on my preferred games (who cares, really?). I lost the respect I might have had for some of you.

I supposed you had already noticed I liked to joke on this forum.
I don't want to know why you did take it as a personal slight (or should I guess you don't like beer and/or that I would have said to your wife I was too tired?)
But then I wonder whether deserving your respect or not does me any good.

 

[rabindranath72]

And you felt you had to continue Strom's conduct.

It was an analogy! Geez! Haven't you ever used an analogy - it wasn't a joke just an attempt to convey the feeling of why we defend the Mongoose Conan RPG here on the Mongoose Conan RPGn forum. King took it to another level of inappropriateness - which I ignored because it was so juvenile. I believe my analogy was very well done and I wish others would've continued my conduct of excellent analogy use.

Mine was also the same thing prolonging what I considered a joke. If it wasn't and you really consider a game has as much value as a woman (or say a human being), then I wonder why you didn't go amok at the last game convention, shooting at all the crowd which might insult (your wife) edit: your game.

Don't be a sophist. Sometimes jokes come too far, and it's a matter of GOOD taste to understand when to stop, and when it's appropriate to joke or not.
Now, YOU seem to put a woman and a game on the same level (NOT I), seeing as for you, a "joke" of definitely bad taste (quoting Strom: "another level of inappropriateness - which I ignored because it was so juvenile") is equivalent to discussing a game system. Strom's comment makes me wonder how old are you.

 

[rabindranath72]

And you felt you had to continue Strom's conduct.
I expect the answer is in tone with the subject. I criticise games, you criticise games. Personal attacks are cheap shots, and not warranted, really. They do not speak very highly of the author. I can respect someone's opinion if different from mine. I can accept you "crap" on my preferred games (who cares, really?). I lost the respect I might have had for some of you.

I supposed you had already noticed I liked to joke on this forum.
I don't want to know why you did take it as a personal slight (or should I guess you don't like beer and/or that I would have said to your wife I was too tired?)
But then I wonder whether deserving your respect or not does me any good.

Perhaps it's appropriate in the place where you come from to joke about some things, or make inappropriate comparisons.
Stunning news: not all the people has the same sense of decency (or lack thereof) that you show.
You are better served without my respect, and be happy I do not respond in kind.
Oh, and sure, I love beer: but in the place where I come from, comment such as yours, even jokes, would leave you with a split skull (have you seen the film Gomorrah?)

 

[The King]

Now, YOU seem to put a woman and a game on the same level (NOT I), seeing as for you, a "joke" of definitely bad taste (quoting Strom: "another level of inappropriateness - which I ignored because it was so juvenile") is equivalent to discussing a game system.

You look like an interrogator trying to extract confession of guilt at any cost. May be you're the savage as you defined yourself but a savage working for civilized people. May be you find thus your entitlement to split heads.
It's a good thing they taught you to read and to write though, but they forgot to teach you how to think and make use of it.

Yes a joke can make use of people and thing at the same level or death and laughter. It seems there are examples aplenty in the movies or on TV, though I consider at least 90% of these comedies destined to IQ-deficient people (e.g. like savages). So you don't have my respect but I still wish you a good and pleasant entertainment.

 

[The King]

Oh, and sure, I love beer: but in the place where I come from, comment such as yours, even jokes, would leave you with a split skull (have you seen the film Gomorrah?)

Are you talking of these movies about morons who want to make money but can't even built correct building and let thus people, including themselves, being crushed to death because of a slight eathquake or a flow of water?
Then I'm pleased I don't have your respect because you aren't worth what you def.cate or ashes in an ashtray.