Aiming + Aiming for the Kill

[tru3anath3ma]

Just making sure this is a legitimate tactic: spend 9 minor action aiming to get +6DM and +6 damage using Aiming (for 6 minor actions) and Aiming for the Kill (for 3 minor actions).

 

[BP]

Which book does 'Aiming for the Kill' come from?

No other action can be performed while 'aiming' and it already gives the potential for higher damage (from effect) - though Aiming for the Kill shouldn't necessarily qualify as another action, so I can see it both ways.

Personally I'd probably rule them either limited (6 minor actions combined) or mutually exclusive... as the 'Kill' aim is probably targeting a very specific vulnerable spot for more damage - meaning the hit is more difficult (i.e. the general aiming can be thrown off such as a Neck shot versus a torso shot). But I'm not familiar with the rule - maybe it already penalizes the hit?

 

[DFW]

Just making sure this is a legitimate tactic: spend 9 minor action aiming to get +6DM and +6 damage using Aiming (for 6 minor actions) and Aiming for the Kill (for 3 minor actions).

A lot would depend on the weapon & ammo.

 

[tru3anath3ma]

Which book does 'Aiming for the Kill' come from?

Mercenary.

 

[tru3anath3ma]

A lot would depend on the weapon & ammo.

Why would this play a factor?

 

[DFW]

A lot would depend on the weapon & ammo.

Why would this play a factor?

Example: How do you get +6 damage from .22 short wad-cutter?

 

[GJD]

A lot would depend on the weapon & ammo.

Why would this play a factor?

Example: How do you get +6 damage from .22 short wad-cutter?

Shoot them in the nadgers.

 

[DFW]

Why would this play a factor?

Example: How do you get +6 damage from .22 short wad-cutter?

Shoot them in the nadgers.

You wouldn't even get +6 damage with that round hitting there. Maybe in the eye but, that's about it.

Point being, a bigger round from a more easily aimed weapon is going to give you a larger plus on damage for the +6 DM. It's a horrible oversimplification.

 

[Stainless]

The original Core Rule Book rule is "aiming" (+1 DM on 'to hit' per minor action with a maximum of +6).

"Aiming for the kill" came soon afterwards in Mercenary (+2 to damage per minor action aiming with a maximum of +6, i.e., maximum of 3 minor actions).

It's fairly clear from the wording of "Aiming for the kill" that it is a special case of aiming and that the aiming 'to hit' bonus is not included. That is, they should be considered as completely separate tasks. Thus, you can't aim for 6 minor actions (not shooting at the end of it) and then aim for the kill for 3 minor actions, finally shooting once and getting +6 to hit AND +6 damage.

i.e., per squeeze of the trigger you can EITHER aim (to hit bonus) OR aim for the kill (damage bonus) but NOT BOTH.

 

[Solomani666]

I concur with Stainless. One or the other but not both.

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[Solomani666]

Example: How do you get +6 damage from .22 short wad-cutter?

Just spoke to the bodyguard of one of the local 'wise guys' (who shall remain un-named) as he stood guarding the doorway of one of the ubiquotus private clubs in my neighborhood and he said:

"You use a .22 to the back of da head, just behind his ear."

What kind of gun?

"A Ruger with a Tactical Systems receiver and a silencer."
"Dat answer your question?"

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[DFW]

Example: How do you get +6 damage from .22 short wad-cutter?

Just spoke to the bodyguard of one of the local 'wise guys' (who shall remain un-named) as he stood guarding the doorway of one of the ubiquotus private clubs in my neighborhood and he said:

"You use a .22 to the back of da head, just behind his ear."

What kind of gun?

"A Ruger with a Tactical Systems receiver and a silencer."
"Dat answer your question?"

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Yep. I have a Ruger .22 Bull Barrel, stainless. http://www.ruger.com/products/2245BullBarrel/models.html

It shoots .22LR rounds. Behind the ear would go all the way through.

.22 shorts (wadcutter) are a different animal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadcutter