emperorpenguin
Mongoose
JayRaider said:
Saw that one coming.....
ACTA RIP....
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Saw that one coming.....
Well I have a bunch of fleets that I started, but now I will not get to finish them. So the plan is to sell them off and beef up a couple of the others that I already have. I'll be posting them on Wargames Market (http://www.wargamesmarket.com?nrs2=829), so look for them there.
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Galatea said:
Maybe it'll be that they decided to have April Fool's Day 49 days early!? 8)
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
WereRogue said:
Don't be a fool. Without new players the promised book releases won't appear, ACtA articles for S&P will vanish, and pow, the whole game's gone. A few old copies in second-hand gaming stores and a few sad old veterans longing for the glory years...
...ACtA has just become the Centauri Republic of gaming.
WereRogue said:
Bah. There's been games with those which are quite, quite dead. Fact: Everybody quits gaming sooner or later. Then without new blood to replace them this means # of players drop. This will eventually mean death of game(no-one playing!). Also as players quit for various reason this will cause OTHERS to quit due to...Lack of opponents! This will just accelerate the process. Then game hit into issue that any new player interested in game won't find as readily opponents and therefore won't start the game and once again progress speeds up.
High quality games with dedicated fans have died before when support has fallen off. Why? No new blood...
Lord David the Denied said:WereRogue said:
Don't be a fool. Without new players the promised book releases won't appear, ACtA articles for S&P will vanish, and pow, the whole game's gone. A few old copies in second-hand gaming stores and a few sad old veterans longing for the glory years...
...ACtA has just become the Centauri Republic of gaming.
You mean a sleeping giant
I have to agree with the thought that this is the end of ACTA.
There are some key differences between ACTA and VaS as to why I do not believe that ACTA can be successful like VaS.
First, there is already an established miniature base for VaS genre ships.
Second, if someone wanted to make miniatures for that game, they do not have to fight any license arrangements as the subject matter is public record.
Now you have a game with no proper mini support and there is no legal way to make minis for it. While the ruleset is mini/counter neutral, wargamers seem to be stuck on the idea that games need miniatures, and now there will be NO source for them. VERY few gamers want to spend the time making their own pieces for games. All in all, ACTA is not going to do well like VaS.
There are some key differences between ACTA and VaS as to why I do not believe that ACTA can be successful like VaS.
First, there is already an established miniature base for VaS genre ships.
Second, if someone wanted to make miniatures for that game, they do not have to fight any license arrangements as the subject matter is public record.
Now you have a game with no proper mini support and there is no legal way to make minis for it. While the ruleset is mini/counter neutral, wargamers seem to be stuck on the idea that games need miniatures, and now there will be NO source for them. VERY few gamers want to spend the time making their own pieces for games. All in all, ACTA is not going to do well like VaS.
Foxmeister
Mongoose
Lord David the Denied said:Don't be a fool. Without new players the promised book releases won't appear, ACtA articles for S&P will vanish, and pow, the whole game's gone. A few old copies in second-hand gaming stores and a few sad old veterans longing for the glory years...
...ACtA has just become the Centauri Republic of gaming.
I would be interested how exactly you gauge "sufficient demand" for new books. I would hope that someone somewhere could step into the breech with respect to the minis, but I don't really see anyone dropping any serious coin for a B5 licence.
Regards,
Dave
Twin-Linked Aldades said:
Not that long. AoG went out of business in 2002: it wasn't very long before someone picked up the license. And models you paint are models you paint: you can use them for other games, or to continue playing this game with your current group. Or for the next incarnation of the Babylon 5 game.
My worry is that no one will want to pick this up, for fluff reasons. You see, ACtA was the third of the Babylon space games. That means that the next one is not only going to disappear, but do so in a highly unusual way. Thus making way for the last of the Babylon space games
.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:Xorrandor said:Twin-Linked Aldades said:
Not that long. AoG went out of business in 2002: it wasn't very long before someone picked up the license. And models you paint are models you paint: you can use them for other games, or to continue playing this game with your current group. Or for the next incarnation of the Babylon 5 game.
My worry is that no one will want to pick this up, for fluff reasons. You see, ACtA was the third of the Babylon space games. That means that the next one is not only going to disappear, but do so in a highly unusual way. Thus making way for the last of the Babylon space games
Xorrandor said:My worry is that no one will want to pick this up, for fluff reasons. You see, ACtA was the third of the Babylon space games. That means that the next one is not only going to disappear, but do so in a highly unusual way. Thus making way for the last of the Babylon space games
Thanks for the laugh :lol: . Could do with it today...
Feh. This is all just typical gamer crap when things break bad in a company. Chicken Little bullcrap.
If we stop playing the game, then yes, it will stop being supported. You're doing the game no favors by saying "Ah, if they're not going to make miniatures for it, then we should just stop playing it!" No amount of "no new players" or "no more support" can sway me from the fact that most of you are just being over-reactive idiots.
The game can be played with counters easily enough and it has everything you need to play contained within the recently released Rules and Fleet books. Are you all so addle-brained that you cannot create your own scenarios or campaigns or whatever? You have fleets, you have rules. I'm sure there will be counters released (if, that is, MGP has any ACTA players to release them to) and that's all you need to play the game.
I don't know, maybe things are clearer to me because I'm not in "Augh, MGP just screwed me!" mode. :? Or maybe it's just that my mindset tends to be "Well, you're cut, and bleeding, let's try to heal the wound." rather than "Well, you're cut, and bleeding, but there's nothing I can do, so I'm afraid you're just going to die."
Sheesh.
-Ken
If we stop playing the game, then yes, it will stop being supported. You're doing the game no favors by saying "Ah, if they're not going to make miniatures for it, then we should just stop playing it!" No amount of "no new players" or "no more support" can sway me from the fact that most of you are just being over-reactive idiots.
The game can be played with counters easily enough and it has everything you need to play contained within the recently released Rules and Fleet books. Are you all so addle-brained that you cannot create your own scenarios or campaigns or whatever? You have fleets, you have rules. I'm sure there will be counters released (if, that is, MGP has any ACTA players to release them to) and that's all you need to play the game.
I don't know, maybe things are clearer to me because I'm not in "Augh, MGP just screwed me!" mode. :? Or maybe it's just that my mindset tends to be "Well, you're cut, and bleeding, let's try to heal the wound." rather than "Well, you're cut, and bleeding, but there's nothing I can do, so I'm afraid you're just going to die."
Sheesh.
-Ken
Xorrandor said:My worry is that no one will want to pick this up, for fluff reasons. You see, ACtA was the third of the Babylon space games. That means that the next one is not only going to disappear, but do so in a highly unusual way. Thus making way for the last of the Babylon space games
"Yes Father, this is how interceptors works. It says so in the rules here!"
msprange said:Poi said:
Poi, always with the drama
The News page tells you what is happening. I'll be doing a Planet Mongoose post later that will explain _why_.
Drama? :evil:
How dare you!? You have repeatedly said everything in the garden was rosy, or soon would be.
Today's announcement proves that a lie!
This isn't a decision you've come too without consideration, you've been considering this for weeks, if not months.
I stand by my statement.
WereRogue said:
Or maybe you are just an idiot and are missing the point.
The majority of the posts do not say that people are going to stop playing. The majority of people are upset that they will no longer be able to buy minis for new fleets or to add on to existing fleets. Other people are upset because odds are new people will not get into the game since the miniatures will not be readily available (most people do not want to play a miniatures game with counters).
It does not matter if I can make my own scenarios or my own campaigns. It is nice to see new product to be released for a game you like. There is nothing stopping us from playing ACTA. But that is not the point.
Guys, play nice with each other, or the thread fairy will visit. . .
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
WereRogue said:
Play it with counters, he says. Easily released package, he says. Are you joking? Who's going to buy into a counters-only game? Without miniatures there won't be new players - without new players there won't be income - without income there won't be support. Is this clear enough?
Yes we can all keep playing, but have you actually read anything I've said here? The existing gaming groups we have are all we're going to get for ACtA. That's fine for people in clubs or groups that have plenty of players but the rest of us are left out in the cold.
I don't know how to say it any plainer than that...
