A new, new ship supplement

[Kosh127]

Vorlon Carrier. Light Cruiser variant.
Battle level
Hull 5
Turns 1-45
Speed 6
Damage 30
Traits- AA, AJP, Self repair 1D6, Fleet Carrier, Carrier 4, AF 5,
Craft 9 Vorlon fighters

Weapons Discharge gun 18inch 2 AD, beam, DD, Precise

The Vorlons seldom went to war but when they did they were sure to bring a substantial number of fighters with them. Most races believed that since the Vorlons ships were Organic that these fighters never needed to birth for repairs or to recharge. Until the battle at Ava prime there was no reason to believe other wise. When a massive defense fleet gave the few Vorlon ships pause in there race to destroy a large Asteroid base supporting the shadows, a reaction fleet heading for the totally out matched defenders. Running in Hyperspace to defend there base, a fleet ran into a hyperspace distortion field by complete accident they found something incredible. A massive Vorlon ship hiding inside. At first the Admirals believed it to be a light cruiser, and order full attack. On an attack run they noticed three important things. First the weapon being fired was causing massive damage to his lead battle ship however it was not destroying it. Second that all along the haul there were things that looked like holes. Finally fighters seemed to appear like magic or out of thing air. After a fierce battle and several lost ships the Vorlon ship was damaged so badly it was unable to move, fire, or make repairs to itself. Every service bot and camera in the task force was sent to take a close look at the strange ship. What looked like holes at a distance were infact a beehive like bay structure that spread throughout the ship. When the ship began to start moving again its immune system Began to destroy the cameras and service bots with horrible quickness and efficacy. The last image sent out was that of 4 fighters crush and trapped by a membrane wall. And a very vague image of very very small blobs that later analyses of the tape would concluded were fighter that were being grown or born. The Universe now had proof that the Vorlons also had Carriers to fery there fighters around the Universe.

 

[katadder]

bit too many fighters for a battle level ship when you consider the ability of vorlon fighters.
also am against vorlons having carriers. I have no problems with vorlon ships being escorted by fighters but not launching them.

 

[Kosh127]

really why is lauching fighters so bad? I would be fine with a couple of less fighter. but why no lauches??

 

[katadder]

just not something i see them doing. no vorlon ship carries fighters yet somehow they have a fleet carrier.

 

[Kosh127]

Ya I see were you are comming from thats why they should have a carrier IMO. The vree never had a ship that carried fighters until 2E yet they could have fighters. I just don't see how a fighter would never need a place to birth for repair and refit. As such all fleets should have a carier to hold fighters its the nature of a fighter to be carried. JMO but I see were you are comming form

 

[Grunvald]

just not something i see them doing. no vorlon ship carries fighters yet somehow they have a fleet carrier.

The same old arguement starting here!

Vorlons dont carry fitghters, then why do they have the "maternal" abbility in the refit table?

Saying they cant is or dont carry fighters is a load of rubbish.

It only that we dont see them carrying fighters (or half the ships in ACTA for that matter) in the show that ppl keep saying this, they have to get from A to B somehow and a fighter (even a Vorlon or Shadow one) just does not have the capability to do it on its own!

 

[Ripple]

The brakiri don't have a ship that carries fighters that isn't a carrier, what is the issue?

Right now the Vorlons have a single hull type, sometimes its bigger, sometimes its smaller, but no actual variation in what it does. That seems like the greatest waste for such an advanced race. You would think they would have the right tool for the right job, not a multi-tool that never is quite the right fit.

In the show we see them only do two mission, fleet attack and planetary bombardment. They had a specialist ship to do bombardment, so they clearly aren't against the concept.

Ripple

 

[Grunvald]

Totally agree with you!

 

[Kosh127]

well said. I also wrote in the fluff that the carriers would most likely wait in hyper for the return of the fighter.

 

[eldiablito]

Personally, the Vorlon fighter is great, IMO. For that reason, if the Vorlons get a carrier, don't give them a Fleet Carrier trait too as these fighters are plenty good with their Advanced Anti-Fighter. Likewise, your carrier example is fine if it only carried 6 fighters; 9 is way too many. If Vorlon players are too terrified of enemy fighters, then give them an Raid level escort.


Meanwhile, the Shadows NEED a Fleet Carrier as their existing fighters are rubbish.

 

[Cavalier1645]

Cool ship mind if I use it

 

[Grunvald]

This is starting to be the playtest vorlon thread again

Read the thread below for what was surgessted for some Vorlon Varients!

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=36705

 

[H]

Personally, the Vorlon fighter is great, IMO. For that reason, if the Vorlons get a carrier, don't give them a Fleet Carrier trait too as these fighters are plenty good with their Advanced Anti-Fighter. Likewise, your carrier example is fine if it only carried 6 fighters; 9 is way too many. If Vorlon players are too terrified of enemy fighters, then give them an Raid level escort.


Meanwhile, the Shadows NEED a Fleet Carrier as their existing fighters are rubbish.

hmm, fighters that have to loose twice in a dogfight before they die aren't THAT bad. and that have to be hit twice by AF as well. . . mmm

 

[Grunvald]

Meanwhile, the Shadows NEED a Fleet Carrier as their existing fighters are rubbish.

With the new PP rules with shadow fighter shields working in dogfight they are no longer rubbish, their shields get to work everyturn!

Vorlon AAF only works 1st time in dogfight, if dogfight carries over to another turn no AAF!

So which needs Fleet Carrier more!!!!!

 

[AdrianH]

Out of interest, does anyone have a fleet carrier in the show, or is it just something made up for the game? I don't recall seeing any carriers - fighters were launched by cruiser type ships, e.g. Omega, Sharlin, G'Quan etc.

If carriers are just something made up for the game then either everyone should have them or nobody should have them. Either scrap the lot or give them to Shadows, Vorlons and anyone else who currently does not have one.

 

[H]

bu by that rationale, you should remove 90% of the game, no one had an obvious scout (the narn sent a G'Quan to scout za'ha'dum) so remove them from the game? no one showed they could "run silent" so remove that from the game. (oh yes, I know, someone is going to remind me of leniers fighter now aren't they)

all crazy talk!

 

[Da Boss]

Hiff I agree.

However I also agree that there does not seem to be be a compelling reason not to give Shadows and Vorlons an appropriate and characterful carrier and in the Vorlons case, a Scout.

Variety is the spice of life I am told..............

 

[H]

no no, I am agreeing, someone stated now one should have carriers cos they are not in the show, or everyone should have them.
now then i AM of the opinion that because A gets somethign B should too, thats not how it should work, but the argument that remove it if it's not in the show would make the game what 12 ship types? would be very boring.
in this instance i do think the Vrolons should get a carrier, but i don't see any reason for them to get a scout. likewise, what the hell is that stupid new ship they get for P+P? what a waste of someones time that was!

 

[Da Boss]

Completely agree on the new Dreadnought - waste of space in the supplement - either make an Ancient level ship or make room for something worthwhile...........

re the Scout - being nosy people who interfere with everyone- I can't see why the Vorlons would not have a Scout -as long as it is a Vorlon Scout - ie characterful of the race......

 

[H]

but surely they would scout with the people they "employ". . .

anyhoo, getting very off topic on random other ramblings.

if they WANT a new Vorlon ship of stupido power, how about an ancient level planet destroyer, it's canon after all. The argument that mongoose don't make a model for this is moot as they don't make any acta models! and Iron Wind might make us a shiny planet killer!