.30 Cal MG's [WAW]

[wkehrman]

This last statement rings hollow to me as it is typical for us to have to "stay tuned" for several weeks if not months for a correction. Having said that, the "MG" on almost any US vehicle would be the M1919 Air cooled LMG. Could the Vickers double for the M1917?

I promise (mostly to myself :wink: ) to be more quiet on the forum, I really did not want to offend with any more "hollow" statements...

While I still claim a "once bitten, twice shy" approach to Mongoose, I should acknowledge the quick posting of both a Players' guide and a Quick Reference Playsheet on the Mongoose site. My apologies to Agis.

...and thank you for these...

 

[wkehrman]

I think we all have to realise that Agis is the author of the game, caught between a rock (the players) and a hard place (Mongoose Publishing).

Thanks for the nice words. But honestly for me it is more the rock. :wink:

I never ever experienced such a mistrusting gamer community.
There are so many bad feelings on this forum I am just amazed.

To be fair, there are quite a few of us out here who continue to purchase Mongoose products despite some less than adequate performance on their part. I would imagine that the minis fiasco of the last several months has hit the BF Evo and SST crowd as hard as it hit the B5 crowd. Trust is earned, not given. When it's lost, it's twice as hard to earn back.

Everything has to be a typo;
if one source says 3 MGs on a vehicle and another 2 MGs - whatever we use - we are wrong;
if vehicle X or Y is missing it is the most important vehicle of the late war;
if a SMG is missing, it is a terrible thing (even all SMGs got the same stats);
if somebody can't kill a Tiger with infantry the game has to be wrong
etc
etc

Guys - play the game and have fun!

The sort of gripes you identify are typical of historical miniatures gamers; we've raised second guessing to a fine art. I've playtested a WWII minis game from a different company; I've lost count of the number of times I've cited the KISS principle as the reason such and such rule is as written. That explanation is about as satisfying to the folks at my FLGS as a bout of food poisoning.

Thanks for the update. I'll work on being more constructive in my "comments" on the game if you'll see the Players Guide as a living document, subject to additions (*cough* US 60mm mortar *cough*).

 

[DM]

I never ever experienced such a mistrusting gamer community.
There are so many bad feelings on this forum I am just amazed.
Everything has to be a typo;
if one source says 3 MGs on a vehicle and another 2 MGs - whatever we use - we are wrong;
if vehicle X or Y is missing it is the most important vehicle of the late war;
if a SMG is missing, it is a terrible thing (even all SMGs got the same stats);
if somebody can't kill a Tiger with infantry the game has to be wrong

As an oft-scarred veteran of many pulished rules, all I can say is "welcome to the club"

 

[Agis]

To be fair, there are quite a few of us out here who continue to purchase Mongoose products despite some less than adequate performance on their part. I would imagine that the minis fiasco of the last several months has hit the BF Evo and SST crowd as hard as it hit the B5 crowd. Trust is earned, not given. When it's lost, it's twice as hard to earn back.

I would agree if WaW was accompanied by mini releases - but WaW is just a RULEbook....

snip...
Thanks for the update. I'll work on being more constructive in my "comments" on the game if you'll see the Players Guide as a living document, subject to additions (*cough* US 60mm mortar *cough*).

Light Mortars, Irregular Forces (Volkssturm, Maquis and Eastern Partizans) and Soviet Dog Mines are all writtten and sent to Mongoose...
They might appear in next S&P!

 

[MongooseMatt]

Thanks for the update. I'll work on being more constructive in my "comments" on the game if you'll see the Players Guide as a living document, subject to additions (*cough* US 60mm mortar *cough*).

This sort of addition is likely to appear as a free download within S&P, before later being made 'official' in a supplement. Either way, we are going to keep you well supported!

 

[wkehrman]

I would agree if WaW was accompanied by mini releases - but WaW is just a RULEbook....

Did I mention my B5:ACTA fleet "book" is now a fleet "binder"? Yes I know I could have sent my book back and ordered a new one, but time is money and there is a point where you just stop making investments....

My issue is more with "official statements" than the minis, actually. I understand that this was a mistake and Mongoose believes it is not and will not be par for the course. It will still take time and effort on the part of Mongoose to restore trust in said statements. Of course, that you got the Players Guide out so quick is helpful.

snip...
Thanks for the update. I'll work on being more constructive in my "comments" on the game if you'll see the Players Guide as a living document, subject to additions (*cough* US 60mm mortar *cough*).

Light Mortars, Irregular Forces (Volkssturm, Maquis and Eastern Partizans) and Soviet Dog Mines are all writtten and sent to Mongoose...
They might appear in next S&P!

This sort of thing goes a fair way to restoring trust. I also went back to S&P 55 and 56 and noticed five or six new units, so the pattern is certainly there.

 

[weasel_fierce]

I think people tend to jump over that sort of detail is because its stuff we can look up in a book. So there's not really an excuse for getting it wrong.


What people do need to realize though is that a game will never be usefull as a historical reference. You buy the game for the rules (which arent shabby at all, btw) and then you make any adjustments you might want.

Ultimately, the designer is going to go with what makes sense at the moment, and the players fill in the rest.