2nd Ed its great :D : however in an ideal world.......

[David Anla Shok']

Ballistic torpedoes would be more appropriate... I do agree, though. We never see beams but we do see (apparently very powerful) missiles and pulse weapons.

Yeah, just now watching an episode with two Vorchan/Demos blowing hell out of a G'Quan.

 

[Lord David the Denied]

There are actually three in that scene if you look closely... but the Narn still have the tonnage advantage. Take that, damn dirty Narns... :twisted:

 

[David Anla Shok']

There are actually three in that scene if you look closely... but the Narn still have the tonnage advantage. Take that, damn dirty Narns... :twisted:

The nice thing about having both fleets is that one can cheer for the victor, whomever it is.

 

[katadder]

I don't think that's true. I'd like to see ion cannons get nastier than they are - TL, DD is nice but like I say it struggles to hit high hull targets, and the visible effect a couple of ion cannon hits have on B5 itself doesn't suggest to me that they're only good for killing little ships. Likewise in season 5 we see Vorchans and Demos shoot up various ships with little apparent effort.

I don't want to go back to the Centauri Beam Team, but I would like to see a tweak to the Centauri's main weapon.

nastier ion cannons? most races have to be content with single damage secondaries. the vree dont even get the few beams that the centauri get. plus you have matter cannons and even plasma accelerators on some ships. really there is nothing wrong with centauri weapons. the octurion is only lacking because of range and slow speed, once there it outguns pretty much any other war level vessel.

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Ion cannons are in no way secondary weapons...

 

[David Anla Shok']

Nastier ion cannons? most races have to be content with single damage secondaries. the vree dont even get the few beams that the centauri get. plus you have matter cannons and even plasma accelerators on some ships. really there is nothing wrong with centauri weapons. the octurion is only lacking because of range and slow speed, once there it outguns pretty much any other war level vessel.[/quote]

LOL. Yeah, like the limping Terminator... I'm gonna kick your ass... when I get to you...

 

[katadder]

Ion cannons are in no way secondary weapons...

well the centauri dont really have a secondary then, i class them as secondary compared to most other races. I mean we have precise beams which outrange the abbai (and they only back theirs up with single damage TL), we have matter cannons, we have plasma accelerators. ion cannons can fit in anywhere. the centauri certainly have enough DD weapons that they dont need any upgrades on what ion cannons are capable of.

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Except scoring hits against hull 6 targets. Did I mention that they struggle to do that? The Vree get SAP, DD guns on practically all their ships, and TL, DD guns on most. Nobody suggests the Vree struggle to get kills, but I can't be the only one to notice ion cannons struggling to do the damage.

 

[katadder]

the centauri get either AP DD, SAP DD or B P guns on almost all their ships in fact the only ones without matter cannons/plasma either have a beam or torps so swapping DD weapons for precise ones. theres no reason to increase ion cannons, they are what I consider secondaries. only TL but the advantage of DD.

as for damaging B5, didnt they decide that was a secundus, heavy ion cannons versus a hull 4 station, damn right you would damage it, even normal ion cannons would.

 

[nekomata fuyu]

Individual Ion Cannon AD will only cause a hit about a third of the time against hull 6, but the Octurion has a bucket of those AD to throw. It's stretching things a little to say that it's struggling to get hits...

 

[M1ndr1d3rs]

Just a thought guys, but doesn't the Octurion deserve a poll of its own? :wink:

 

[wyrdmaster]

Just a thought guys, but doesn't the Octurion deserve a poll of its own? :wink:

Seconded.

Also, I was not comparing the Octurion and Poseidon. I was just saying that, more often then not, big ships need protection (Narn big ships being an exception) from smaller ones in a fleet. That said, I do think that the Octurion and the Sulust need a re-tweak in the weapons department. An escort with a 24-inch weapon while a flagship's weapons are all under 16 inches? Someone get out the rule spanner.

 

[emperorpenguin]

perhaps 24" beam and the heavy ion cannons from a secundus in its front arc?

I suggested that during playtesting :wink:

I was in favour of doing away with the matter cannons and just giving it more ADs of Secundus guns

 

[Jetbaker]

I am in agreement with Katadder. I dont want to see the Octurion get anything more. Its a good ship with its own role. If you want a war ship that needs looking at its the Drazi Fireraptor Battleship.

 

[EDFDarkAngel1]

We could always give the Octurion GEG

Dark Angel

 

[Gunnvaldr]

Heh, replace the matter cannons for heavy ion cannons for both Octurion and Adira. T-L will help the issue of dealing with Hull 5+ let alone the AP.

Besides I figure the latest updated Octurion and Adira would have those or Plasma Accelerators, kinda scratch my head to matter cannons since it seems a dated but still worthy weapon system

 

[Lord David the Denied]

The Octurion is an old design, it probably would use the old matter cannons. Granted, the century-old ships would probably have been retrofitted with newer weapons since being built and recent builds would be from an updated design, so perhaps the matter cannons don't really belong.

I don't see any reason they'd be incorporated into the Adira design, which is supposed to be the latest and best capital ship the Centauri can field. It should have heavy ion cannons and plasma accelerators as suggested above.

 

[Tzarevitch]

Honestly I don't think the problem is as much with the Octurion's guns as much with the fact it doesn't fit that well with centauri doctrine in that it has the dual foibles of shortish range weapons AND very low speed. It is so slow in fact that it can't support the speed 12-14 elements of the Centauri fleet at all. An APTE from a vorchan and it blazes completely out of the cover an Octurion provides.

EA, Narn and Minbari will be ripping holes into an Octurion or its fleetmates long before it can respond. Hell, a Sharlin's secondaries outrange everything an Octurion has AND it is quickler.

I'd up the Octurion's beams to 22" or 24" and crank the speed up to 7 (and crank the speed on the primus to 9). It is still short-ranged compared to nearly everyone else's heavy but at least the extra inch of move helps.

Tzarevitch

 

[Da Boss]

Maybe we should have eras of the Centauri as has been mentioned before:

"Days of Glory" - days of the Great Republic.

"Slumbering Power" - rise of the Narn, most of the show.

"Strength from the Darkness" the legacy of the Shadows, the Drakh and the technology they leave behind when driven from Centauri Prime

or not................

 

[emperorpenguin]

The Octurion is an old design, it probably would use the old matter cannons. Granted, the century-old ships would probably have been retrofitted with newer weapons since being built and recent builds would be from an updated design, so perhaps the matter cannons don't really belong.
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For me, the clincher is the model has nothing remotely resembling "matter cannons" as we see them on the Kutai, Dargan, Haven etc

I don't see any reason they'd be incorporated into the Adira design, which is supposed to be the latest and best capital ship the Centauri can field. It should have heavy ion cannons and plasma accelerators as suggested above

I agree completely