2nd american civil war

[Capt. Griffin]

Although there is a popular culture split between the coasts and the center it does not go deep enough to really be divisive. Many in the old south still have a sense of national pride for 'Dixie' just look at all the debates about droping the CSA flag from various state flags. Besides the center would be choked off by the coasts in very short order. No supplies coming in = end of war, especially with easily blockaded ports.

Another good scenario would be to use the basis of the Shadowrun universe. One would have to discount at lease some of the magic and goblinization factors but the national split story is somewhat plausable and already done for you.

 

[emperorpenguin]

I find the story in Shadowrun extremely implausible. The Native Americans are too few in number to acheive nationhoods like those in the game.

 

[GRIM]

Although there is a popular culture split between the coasts and the center it does not go deep enough to really be divisive. Many in the old south still have a sense of national pride for 'Dixie' just look at all the debates about droping the CSA flag from various state flags. Besides the center would be choked off by the coasts in very short order. No supplies coming in = end of war, especially with easily blockaded ports.

Another good scenario would be to use the basis of the Shadowrun universe. One would have to discount at lease some of the magic and goblinization factors but the national split story is somewhat plausable and already done for you.

The centre has a lot of its own resources though and there is still the gulf of mexico and the southern ports. Mexico would suddenly have a lot of diplomatic pull as well, as would Canada, though neither would be particularly likely to necessarily aid the south/centre, though Mexico might for territorial concessions I suppose.

I do think the south/centre would lose eventually in such a scenario, but it'd be a bloody mess.

 

[Tredrick]

Such a divide would be more cities vs. non-cities than states. Look at many of the so called "blue" states and you will see they are blue in the cities and red outside them.

I'll pick the faction that can actually feed itself.

 

[Rob_A]

The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK. and the IRA in no way represents the will of the Irish people.

Sorry I made a whoopsie

And yeah, I agree.
And I also agree with Mr.Evil, lets not talk about the IRA, but the subject in hand.



And unfortunately, I don't know enough about US politics to make any intellignet comments.

 

[E Nicely]

Ok Mr Evil, I've read a lot of near-future science fiction so your idea doesn't really freak me out.

There's no way California and Oregon would ally themselves with Texas or any other southern state. The south wouldn't be able to take the west coast by force either.

If anything California, Oregon, and Washington would form their own union. California's got it all, agriculture (lots), "advanced" industries, and a lot of military assets. Something like the 9th (?) largest economy in the world. Even lots of good skiing. They would be the leader in any western coalition. Oregon and Washington are pretty liberal and would probably look to Cali for leadership.

And there was a short lived political movement about 12-15 years ago to seperate northern and southern California (yes, they are very different). Something you might want to consider for your civil war.

 

[Tredrick]

There is a similar movement now to split Oregon and Washington not by north/south but by east/west. The political aims of the coastal cities are castly different from the interior counties.

 

[shmitty]

Cali probably would have been split if not for WWII. There was a ton of momentum for the movement, even in the US Congress, but WWII derailed it.

There is a huge difference between the coastal and interior PNW....I live in Washington State and that divide would make sense in many ways. Although many of us in this state consider CA a joke with all of their money problems, so I doubt we would follow them too closely. That being said CA and WA have a TON of military power between them and would do fine any civil war situation.

 

[E Nicely]

Cali probably would have been split if not for WWII. There was a ton of momentum for the movement, even in the US Congress, but WWII derailed it.

There is a huge difference between the coastal and interior PNW....I live in Washington State and that divide would make sense in many ways. Although many of us in this state consider CA a joke with all of their money problems, so I doubt we would follow them too closely. That being said CA and WA have a TON of military power between them and would do fine any civil war situation.

We're not a joke because Gary Coleman, a porn star, and a guy that grew pot ran for governor are we? :roll: Or maybe that's just envy.

Sounds like there's grounds to declare a whole lot of different, new west coast states in this post civil war setting.

What about the native Americans? They could carve an empire out of the Dakotas, Idaho, Montana. Another fun gaming idea.

A 2nd civil war would never happen. It is a fun idea in a gaming context though.

 

[Capt. Griffin]

Are you kidding? Cali wouldn't even be involved. They would be debating on whether or not to put warning labels on each round that said "Warning this product contains chemicals which in the state of California are known to cause birth defects, cancer, and bedwetting."

Oh, and wouldn't most of the federal troops there head for somewhere else? I seriously don't think they would be loyal to a revolutionary government.

You gotta leave Utah in too, great terrain for gunfights and they have an already existing theocratic government with supplies ready to go!

 

[asgelb]

Are you kidding? Cali wouldn't even be involved. They would be debating on whether or not to put warning labels on each round that said "Warning this product contains chemicals which in the state of California are known to cause birth defects, cancer, and bedwetting."

Hahah too true. Cali would just whine and bitch and condemn the rest of the country.


Oh, and Oregon should be part of the Northwest union. This is also a perfect time for all of the illegal Mexican population to rise up and open the flood gates to Mexico...and they should totally be in this game, trying to reclaim cali and texas and new mexico!!! Viva la revolution!

 

[asgelb]

and even a better time to storm hollywood and put a bullet in the heads of all of those pretentious, whiney, political-wannabee movie stars who think its their duty to inform the world their idiotic beliefs.

 

[roughneck GIR]

I never knew the aboriginals owned that much of the states, and even that canadian chunk (unless you're just throwing them in there to add to the fray ). When it happens I'll just keep my distance from my home(look at my user's location) incase something happens near Washington :wink: .

 

[Col_stone]

i really think mexico should start taking bits here and there off a US at civil war, maybe as "payment " for helping one side, or just taking a state under it's wings
that.. and i really want to get myself a Mexican modern army

A 2nd civil war would never happen..

Neither would the WW2

 

[Hiromoon]

Actually Lieutenant Stone...

 

[Col_stone]

WW1 (The great war) was "the war to end all wars", due to it being so horrible that surely noone would ever go to war again, now we kow now that that was wrong.

 

[Hiromoon]

We can technically thank the French for that....

 

[Col_stone]

due to the terms of the peace you mean, or the expression itself which i believe is french from the beginning??

 

[Hiromoon]

More like the French invasion of the Rhineland after the Wiemar republic said if they wanted their money (the French were demanding a large lump sum from Germany at the time, outside the treaty reparations), they'd just have to come get it. After the French invasion, all the German workers went home, leaving empty factories. To support the workers, the Republic printed money, and eventually this caused the economic crisis that helped give rise to Hitler.

 

[emperorpenguin]

Well the Belgians invaded the Rhineland too, so you must blame them also. Then blame the USA for not joining the League of Nations too :wink: