2e request - Explorer should have Scout
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LordClinto
Mongoose
Second!
It makes sense for the explorer to have the scout trait. You probably wouldn't take both an explorer & an oracle or delphi in the same fleet.
It makes sense for the explorer to have the scout trait. You probably wouldn't take both an explorer & an oracle or delphi in the same fleet.
prelude_to_war
Mongoose
Oh boy, classic can of worms now opened...I third the idea that the Explorer should have the Scout trait. However this thread will eventually devolve into:
'Exploration does not necessitate military-grade sensors'
VS.
'Exploration necessitates better than military-grade sensors'
Or some such...regardless, it's 3-0 in favor of!!!
'Exploration does not necessitate military-grade sensors'
VS.
'Exploration necessitates better than military-grade sensors'
Or some such...regardless, it's 3-0 in favor of!!!
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
you guys are too late :wink:
Yep, and I'm going to be the first No vote. Just becasue a ship has super advanced scanning and sensor technology does not mean it has the technology to transmit that data to another ship's targetting computers in the middle of a battle. I'm sure they could get the data there eventually, just not neccessarily in time for it to make any difference.
One thing that would make sense though is if having an explorer counted as a scout for the purposes of deployment and first turn initiative. After that though it doesn't provide any benefit.
EDIT
Heh. Well never mind then. Objection withdrawn ;-)
One thing that would make sense though is if having an explorer counted as a scout for the purposes of deployment and first turn initiative. After that though it doesn't provide any benefit.
EDIT
Heh. Well never mind then. Objection withdrawn ;-)
I'm with Obsidian. The Explorer is really not a combat ship, it is an exploration and jump gate construction platform. It never once in the series displayed any ability to perform fire redirection or enhanced stealth penetration.
It shouldn't be the kind of ship you see in a normal fleet, the way to enforce this is to make it underpowered (not useless, but a worse choice than others). It should be used for specific scenarios only.
It shouldn't be the kind of ship you see in a normal fleet, the way to enforce this is to make it underpowered (not useless, but a worse choice than others). It should be used for specific scenarios only.
Can we also look at the unlimited range scout ability. It's another example of for some reason EA tech being better than Minbari and Drakh, let alone Shadows. and it IS quite a big deal.
Personally, i don't think the explorer should get scout, but if it does it does, heck at least it's not on a warlock or something! is it?!
Personally, i don't think the explorer should get scout, but if it does it does, heck at least it's not on a warlock or something! is it?!
The unlimited range scout thing definately needs looking at - either removing it entirely or giving it out to more fluff-wise deserving ships like Shadow/Vorlon ships, or Drakh and Minbari.
But as for the explorer. It's not a combat ship much less a dedicated electronic warfare platform - it's a honking great jumpgate building platform and deep range exploration vessel, which is reflected in its current statline - a very big ship which nonetheless wasn't built for combat (hence low hull - which nicely reflects its very barebones construction).
Going along these lines, the Sharlin encountered by the Prometheus in In the Beggining had sensors strong enough to disrupt their jump drives. Can't this be argued as far better than typical EA sensors? Heck, you could even stat it as a weapon to disrupt EA jump point traits
But as for the explorer. It's not a combat ship much less a dedicated electronic warfare platform - it's a honking great jumpgate building platform and deep range exploration vessel, which is reflected in its current statline - a very big ship which nonetheless wasn't built for combat (hence low hull - which nicely reflects its very barebones construction).
Going along these lines, the Sharlin encountered by the Prometheus in In the Beggining had sensors strong enough to disrupt their jump drives. Can't this be argued as far better than typical EA sensors? Heck, you could even stat it as a weapon to disrupt EA jump point traits
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
Personally, I'd make it a civilian ship. Despite it's obvious military connections, this would prevent it's use in virtually any non-specific scenario.Burger said:
Wulf
which would be a shame, as it looks ace (i my opinion) but then yes, it should never appear apart from a specific scenario or two. Or give bonuses in a campaign?!maybe a roll of 12 on 2 D6 has it find a new planet... you'd never field it really, but it would then serve as a specific exploration vessel?
Wulf Corbett said:
Only problem there is that it's clearly a miltary vessel. It is crewed by military personnel, and armed (to defend itsself) but it's not a frontline warship. Then again it's also not an auxiliary craft or tender. It is what it is... frankly atm I'm surprised you don't see it used more given that it is available for anyone outside of scenarios.
Valen is my name
Mongoose
i think it would be good if it did have the scout trait, however when does it actually get used, the only time i can see an explorer fighting is if it gets ambushed, and even then all it would do is make a run for it, even in the crusade era EA, when hunting the dhrak, they still did not get involved in fighting because it was too expensive to risk losing one.
Alexb83 said:
How about a slight change to the generic Scout trait. As it stands it is either 24" or unlimited (EA Delphi). Tweak the trait to Scout (Range x") where x is the maximum range the Scout abilities can be used at.
I always assumed that the Explorer's improved sensors and stuff was part of its Command trait.
I always thought it was weird in the episode they got lost - cos they are supposed to explore out beyond the charted areas - how did they do that then - - sorry no relevance to the game but there you go.
It works in special scenarios etc as a target or objective or just something different to fight...................
It works in special scenarios etc as a target or objective or just something different to fight...................
LordClinto
Mongoose
Alexb83 said:...Going along these lines, the Sharlin encountered by the Prometheus in In the Beggining had sensors strong enough to disrupt their jump drives. Can't this be argued as far better than typical EA sensors? Heck, you could even stat it as a weapon to disrupt EA jump point traits
If you read some of the mongoose fluff from E-M War it says that the shielding on the Prometheus' Jump Engines wasn't sufficient to block the radiation or some such emitted by the Sharlin's sensors.
