2E release date

[Valen is my name]

It is game balance that I am worried about, and as long as the typos do not radically alter the game, like giving a Minbari a hull and stealth of 6, then I say just make sure the balance is right and get me the book.

It is worth pointing out that if you see a Minbari ship with Hull and Stealth 6 in the second edition, it won't be a typo

Player 1: ha after 4 turns i've finally broken your stealth.
Player 2: now you have to get 6's.
Player 1: lets see now ... 3,2,4. Wait, its a 4! Yay
Player 2: your not using a beam ...
Player 1: b****@@*, i'm never playing with you again.

 

[MongooseMatt]

if i see a Minbari ship with hull 6 and stealth 6, I'm introducing it to mr Lump hammer!

There are Minbari ships with Stealth 6, certainly. However, the new Stealth rules make it an almost painless process to bring that down to manageable levels. A Sharlin, for example, can be brought down to Stealth 2+ without too much stress.

Of course, the Minbari player will be doing everything he can to _stop_ you doing just that, and he certainly has the right tools at hand to do it. . .

 

[H]

if i see a Minbari ship with hull 6 and stealth 6, I'm introducing it to mr Lump hammer!

There are Minbari ships with Stealth 6, certainly. However, the new Stealth rules make it an almost painless process to bring that down to manageable levels. A Sharlin, for example, can be brought down to Stealth 2+ without too much stress.

Of course, the Minbari player will be doing everything he can to _stop_ you doing just that, and he certainly has the right tools at hand to do it. . .

I can sense my regular rants at rolling 1's after getting stealth down to 2. already second ed is inducing a heart attack!

 

[Valen is my name]

minbari player:
chainsaw ... check, hammer and very long nails ... check, mallet ... check, drill ... check, pliers ... check ... okay i'm ready for my ACtA game

 

[MongooseMatt]

I can sense my regular rants at rolling 1's after getting stealth down to 2. already second ed is inducing a heart attack!

Well, this is why we didn't alter the system completely. There are no accounting for 1's and, indeed, they are part and parcel of this type of gaming. What we _have_ done is made Stealth a tactical issue, not purely a luck-based one. Every fleet has everything it needs to bring Stealth right down. If Lady Luck _still_ spits on you, then you probably weren't having a very good day to begin with. . .

 

[katadder]

too easy to get a sharlin down to stealth 2 if you ask me.
the minbari are also more fragile though to make up for some higher stealths.

 

[Burger]

A Sharlin can currently be brought down to 2+ without too much stress.

-1 for being Shadows/Drakh
-1 for scout reduction
-1 for within 8"

The new 2e rule of -1 to stealth if another ship has already passed stealth on that target, will mean it is pretty simple to make a Sharlin's stealth an automatic pass!

Currently Minbari can't realistically do anything about it. Glad to see we'll have some new tools, and looking forward to seeing what they are

 

[katadder]

well the ship has to survive within 8". or the scout has to survive. and sharlins pack a nasty punch.

 

[MongooseMatt]

-1 for being Shadows/Drakh
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No longer applicable!

 

[Burger]

-1 for being Shadows/Drakh

No longer applicable!

Oh, Hash will not be amused His millenia-old ancient beings with organic tech and ships that "never miss" can't break stealth as easily as some ape descendants who handled the Dilgar so thought they could handle anyone :lol:

(Early EA can get a -3 reduction to stealth from scout, 8" and Scanners To Full whereas Shadows can only get -2 from scout and 8"... unless there's some other info we haven't been told which is quite possible of course!)

 

[Da Boss]

Even the Shadows - can see the Drakh not getting it but Shadows and Vorlons? Especially sicne Vorlons don't have a Scout..........

 

[Da Boss]

-1 for being Shadows/Drakh

No longer applicable!

Oh, Hash will not be amused His millenia-old ancient beings with organic tech and ships that "never miss" can't break stealth as easily as some ape descendants who handled the Dilgar so thought they could handle anyone :lol:

(Early EA can get a -3 reduction to stealth from scout, 8" and Scanners To Full whereas Shadows can only get -2 from scout and 8"... unless there's some other info we haven't been told which is quite possible of course!)

and the Vorlons can't even get that - inless they keep it and the Shadows don't - Hmm never miss cos they don't get to shoot that often! And I think the First Ones are Millions fo years old - must be getting short sighted with age!

 

[Nightmares about Minbari]

However this might be implying that the Vorlons will finally get a scout?

(Can see vorlons crossing their tentacles across the galaxy)

On a side note, can you tell us lesser mortals if the playtesting of the fleet lists is complete yet?

 

[Hash]

-1 for being Shadows/Drakh

No longer applicable!

Oh, Hash will not be amused His millenia-old ancient beings with organic tech and ships that "never miss" can't break stealth as easily as some ape descendants who handled the Dilgar so thought they could handle anyone :lol:

Hash is indeed NOT amused :evil:

 

[Da Boss]

I am hoping he just meant the Drakh as has been mentioned earlier! hmm no hopeful emote?

 

[lastbesthope]

No longer applicable!

Oh, Hash will not be amused His millenia-old ancient beings with organic tech and ships that "never miss" can't break stealth as easily as some ape descendants who handled the Dilgar so thought they could handle anyone :lol:

Hash is indeed NOT amused :evil:

While it is unlikely, Matt's statement does not preclude the concept that Shadows/Drakh get a bonus of more than 1 to Stealth roll.

:lol:

LBH

 

[katadder]

theres no longer scanners to full with fighters anyway. i mean how many fighters have better sensors than a full warship?
its replaced with the if someone else sees it you get a bonus.
and unles Matt is making random changes by himself the shadows and vorlons do still get the bonus, just the drakh no longer have it.

 

[H]

theres no longer scanners to full with fighters anyway. i mean how many fighters have better sensors than a full warship?
its replaced with the if someone else sees it you get a bonus.
and unles Matt is making random changes by himself the shadows and vorlons do still get the bonus, just the drakh no longer have it.

oh god, I'm screwed!
ok hiff, you need 6's, how many ships are firing..
um, 8 to be sure...
1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 1
stupid game...

 

[katadder]

checked out the blog? matt has a little bit about 2e there.

 

[Da Boss]

and unles Matt is making random changes by himself the shadows and vorlons do still get the bonus, just the drakh no longer have it.

So did you manage to get that cool Vorlon Scout into the list!? sorry just hijacking the thread for a moment -