2E: PMR Plasma Webs, Stealth & YOU!

[Sulfurdown]

Understanding that energy mines will add the extra +1 to break stealth for ships it hits. Normally when the launching ship is destroyed that +1 goes away, however in the case of the Pak'Ma'Ra - their plasma web trait is not necessarily affiliated with one ship. So would the entire squadron need to be destroyed to remove the +1 to the Stealth check?

 

[Burger]

I would say the plasma web only fails if it is reduced to 1 participating ship. So if you use 3 ships to create it, 2 must be destroyed (or lose their plasma cannon) for it to drop - and therefore lose the +1 stealth.

 

[Locutus9956]

Not having the rule to hand I cant say for sure but from I would say as long as ANY participating ship remains alive the -1 penalty should stand as that ship can still pass on the targeting data from the attack to the rest of the fleet. After all its not the weapon itself that causes the -1 but the 'successful attack' (Id say all involved ships count as having 'successfully attacked')

 

[Sulfurdown]

As a follow-up; Like the Triumviron and it's bonus AD, does the creation of a plasma web preclude splitting AD? Also - do all ships in a squadron need to contribute or is it just that two ships in a squadron need to collaborate?

 

[Burger]

In the case of plasma webs and e-mines I wouldn't say it's the targetting data that is passed on - it's the silhouette of the ship that becomes visible in the blast that gets the bonus. (Why the bonus is lost when the e-mine firing ship is destroyed, I can't explain!!)

Since a single plasma cannon can't create a web, if the squadron is reduced to 1 ship then the web would fail. Which is equivalent to an e-mine launching ship being destroyed.

 

[Locutus9956]

Why the bonus is lost when the e-mine firing ship is destroyed, I can't explain!!

Ah but if I might put forward a theory there which may explain my reasoning slightly:

It may be that its the silouette against the blat that makes the ship visible but the data on its possition is basically worked out by the ship that FIRED the emine (the ship that has accurate targeting data for where that blast was exactly) and it is THIS targeting data that gets passed on to the rest of the fleet (along with the standard Sulu impression and 'Target that explosion and fire' (this may be followed by someone else getting out their chair with a crazed expression and screaming fire...)). And for that reason Id say any ship inovolved in the firing/targeting of the original weapon (web, mine, whatever) would be able to relay said data and give the -1 stealth.

 

[Sulfurdown]

You've got a momentary flash as the energy mine goes off - It could be fluff-fudged that the firing ship is the one that knows where the mine is going and can catch that glimpse of the enemy ship before it fades - this is then passed on to the fleet.

Personally I agree with Burger that if the energy mine qualifies for the reduction it's not really a bit of subtle targeting data that the rest of the fleet wouldn't be able to get themselves from the silhouette in the middle of a nova. But that may be a little heavy handed with all the new races that can fling energy mine weapons.

Edit: Need to type faster if I'm going to snake those answers before Locutus9956 does and I double post...

 

[Locutus9956]

Since a single plasma cannon can't create a web, if the squadron is reduced to 1 ship then the web would fail. Which is equivalent to an e-mine launching ship being destroyed.

Also Id say thats more akin to an emine launcher being expended (if its a one shot one....)

 

[Burger]

Surely - in that case - all of the Pak ships need to survive... they each have essential infomation about where their particular plasma cannon was pointed, so to know exactly where the silhouette is located, they all need to pass that information on?

Well alright 3 surviving will suffice, to triangulate the position.

 

[Locutus9956]

Surely - in that case - all of the Pak ships need to survive... they each have essential infomation about where their particular plasma cannon was pointed, so to know exactly where the silhouette is located, they all need to pass that information on?

Well alright 3 surviving will suffice, to triangulate the position.

Thats assuming they dont all share the full targeting data? Im not sure on this one theres alot of possible angles to come at it from in the fluff reasoning and theres a good argument for all ships, two ships or one ship I suppose. Maybe one for the rulesmasters?

 

[inq101]

I would say the plasma web only fails if it is reduced to 1 participating ship. So if you use 3 ships to create it, 2 must be destroyed (or lose their plasma cannon) for it to drop - and therefore lose the +1 stealth.

But if a ship broke stealth then loses its weapons BUT SURVIVES you still get the bonus. I'd say all ships have fired, so as long as at least one survives you still get the bonus.

 

[Burger]

Yeah, there are too many possibilities: a ship that is destroyed loses the bonus (how long does it take to send the data??), a ship that loses its weapons and survives retains the bonus, but an e-mine firing ship which subsequently gets destoyed does not. Its really impossible to resolve the original question by looking at how other weapons or ships work.

 

[Locutus9956]

Rulesmatered

 

[Sulfurdown]

Yeah, there are too many possibilities: a ship that is destroyed loses the bonus (how long does it take to send the data??), a ship that loses its weapons and survives retains the bonus, but an e-mine firing ship which subsequently gets destoyed does not. Its really impossible to resolve the original question by looking at how other weapons or ships work.

I'd think that it's still the firing ship. Chances are though that another ship will break stealth before the original is destroyed and the bonus would stand.

 

[Burger]

Its answered on rulesmasters now, Locutus was right first time

 

[David Anla Shok']

You've got a momentary flash as the energy mine goes off - It could be fluff-fudged that the firing ship is the one that knows where the mine is going and can catch that glimpse of the enemy ship before it fades - this is then passed on to the fleet.

Edit: Need to type faster if I'm going to snake those answers before Locutus9956 does and I double post...

.......got to use more than two fingers. (sporting #2 innocent look)
Regards,

 

[Sulfurdown]

I'd take insult but lately half the time I'm using a PSP which means I pretty much AM only using two fingers... 8)
... maybe one of them 'typing' games would help...

 

[David Anla Shok']

I'd take insult but lately half the time I'm using a PSP which means I pretty much AM only using two fingers... 8)

LOL, well, I always use a keyboard... and I know how to use all of my fingers. Stop me before I type! ;>
Regards,