Dizzy Vree
Mongoose
im not sure bout the G'Quann but the Dag'Kar is certainly gunna live up to its fluff now.
2E Emines
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Right Hand of God
Mongoose
It no longer has ship breaker mines.
6 shots triple AD is fine but it's only AP and it's a one shot weapon. That's not a trade of for two banks of 6 that could fire one bank every turn and when in range fire ship breakers. Yes triple damage is nice but it's not a decent trade off for the loss of ship breakers when in range and 6 emines a turn.
6 shots triple AD is fine but it's only AP and it's a one shot weapon. That's not a trade of for two banks of 6 that could fire one bank every turn and when in range fire ship breakers. Yes triple damage is nice but it's not a decent trade off for the loss of ship breakers when in range and 6 emines a turn.
Dizzy Vree
Mongoose
the only time ive seen ship breakers used on a G'Quann, and i wasnt that impressed cus of the 10" range.
if narn are becuming so knife-fighty i think the new E-mines will fill a vital role
if narn are becuming so knife-fighty i think the new E-mines will fill a vital role
zulu01 said:
The 6AD, AP, Triple Damage is like a 1e JP bomb with added AP and a bigger area. I can certainly see why they cannot cause criticals (and every fleet that takes on the Narns in 2e will be breathing a huge sigh of relief).
Basically I see them working as softening up weapons, designed to kill light escorts and break up formations before the fleets engage (See Long Twilight Struggle where G'Stens fleet of G'Quans take on the Shadows). The Dag'Kar's Slow-loading tube(s) will likely make this ship a high priority target. And a 4AD beam on the G'Quan is the same as the 1e Omega. And that was a pretty good Beam system.
MustEatBrains
Mongoose
Silvereye said:
Take the new beam rules into account;you should get more hits with your 4 AD now
Greg Smith
Mongoose
Don't forget that the secondaries are no longer weak.
The Hobbybox
Mongoose
Best point so far!
Under the old rules, on a hull 6 target you'd get (on average) 2 hits.
Under the new rules, you should get (on average) 4 hits. Twice the fun!!!!
Plus emines are no longer the 'fighter killer' of choice, they are actually capable of doing serious harm to capital ships (just ask my poor Marathon, damn Narn!!!)
They may require a little more finesse to use to their full potential now, but they are capable of ripping the guts out of an enemy fleet if used right.
Using a Dag'Kar/G'Quan combo (and providing the stats havn't changed from the playtest version).
Dag'Kar - 6 dice AP Trip Dam
G'Quan - 8 dice AP Trip Dam
Pick something squishy in the enemy fleet, say a nice Hyperion.
Half the emines hit (Hull 5 reduced to 4).
Total 7 hits, at triple damage.
Even with a couple of bulkheads you've nearly crippled it.
Given that you have area effect too, you could pull the same stunt on 2 or 3 other ships at the same time.
And, if you're worried about hull 4 initiative sinks...worry no more...bye bye Hermes!
It'll be interesting to see a dag'kar fleet open up.
yes, I know they'll get butchered whilst they try and reload - I just want to see the alpha strike of nukes going off en masse.
Alternatively, if anyone has the old B5wars sheets....the Dag'Ka'Ka'Ka....
Essentially, The G'Quan's mines are no longer its primary weapon - fighter clearance is now the duty of the pulsar mine-armed frigates (who can actually survive despite weaker hulls thanks to the beam changes) and light fighters. 4 dice of laser fire and a shedload of secondary batteries are there to take on capital ships, and the inevitable Narn tanking power - boosted by the softening of criticals, which makes pure hit points a more attractive form of defence - means it's probably fiarly effective.
yes, I know they'll get butchered whilst they try and reload - I just want to see the alpha strike of nukes going off en masse.
Alternatively, if anyone has the old B5wars sheets....the Dag'Ka'Ka'Ka....
Essentially, The G'Quan's mines are no longer its primary weapon - fighter clearance is now the duty of the pulsar mine-armed frigates (who can actually survive despite weaker hulls thanks to the beam changes) and light fighters. 4 dice of laser fire and a shedload of secondary batteries are there to take on capital ships, and the inevitable Narn tanking power - boosted by the softening of criticals, which makes pure hit points a more attractive form of defence - means it's probably fiarly effective.
MustEatBrains
Mongoose
locarno24 said:
The Dakkadakka class??? :shock:
Lorcan Nagle
Mongoose
Burger said:
Only on your initial dice rolls surely? The persistent 4 is a boon firing against any ship
Nope, I'm talking average total hits. Yes you're more likely to get the 4th hit because you're still rolling on 4's... but you're less likely to get the first, and without the first, there is no 2nd or 3rd or 4th.Lorcan Nagle said:
This only applies to SAP beams, of course
MustEatBrains said:
The Narn Dag'Gah'Gah'Gah'Ga Missile Cruiser (B5 Wars) - Rumoured to be named after the choked comments of the first centauri captain to get a weapons scan of the thing.
It was basically a Dag'Kar packing 20 Energy Mine launchers and 40 Ion Torpedo launchers. (yes, really!)
It had the following special rules....
SPECIAL NOTES
Not a Real Ship
It also had the following "DISCLAIMER"
This is only a test. The designers of this ship, in voluntary cooperation with the FCC and other authorities, have developed this system to see if you are really paying attention. This ship cannot be used in tournaments or any scenario that is reasonably sane. Attempting to use it in anything official will result in severe sociological penalties. This concludes this test of the emergency control sheet system.
It was in the same category as the EA Poseidonova Superdreadnought. (In Service: Never; Point Value: Massive)
