2300AD, not 2320...

[steffworthington]

I too am saddened that Colin won't be adding further to 2300AD. Especially as some of the things he had in the pipeline won't see the light of day now.

What's going on with the licenses now though? Has QLI lost the 2300AD license? Did it ever have it, or did it just have one for 2320AD?

Well Marc Miller still has ownership so he can do what he likes and trying to get communication from Hunter at QLI is precisely what made myself and others leave the 2320AD project anyway. It did have a licence... current status of that? who knows. And as far as i understand it was to advance the 2320AD setting (which Colin wrote admirably) so 2320AD is owned by Hunter. 2300AD is owned by marc miller (or FFE to be precise) so if someone wanting to release one they'd talk to marc, the other they'd talk to Hunter (good luck!) but then would have to talk to Marc as well as i doubt the original licence would let Hunter 'farm out' the setting to someone else.
Correct me if im wrong Colin. or Hunter (lol)

 

[GJD]

Well, I wish the best of luck to Mongoose. I hope that 2300 works well for them, and whomever they get to develop it. For a variety of reasons, I will not be involved. However, I do look forward to seeing the finished product.

:?

Shame. Colins work on 2320AD was very good (discussions over the internal workings of an MHD turbine aside... :wink: ). Lets hope they can still pick up some of the outstanding works elsewhere (Laurent, Bryan...)

 

[Colin]

Shame. Colins work on 2320AD was very good (discussions over the internal workings of an MHD turbine aside... :wink: ). Lets hope they can still pick up some of the outstanding works elsewhere (Laurent, Bryan...)

I had to work within the confines of accepted 2300AD "canon"

Hunter and QLI own 2320. Marc Miller owns 2300AD. I own, well, my car...

I'm sure that whomever Mongoose gets to do the work will do an outstanding job.

I want to be clear that the decision here was mine. Mongoose did effectively offer 2300 to me, but I declined. It was not from any disagreement over content or style, or any issues with Mongoose or the way it is run. I simply decided that I couldn't do it anymore. 2320AD ate up a good two years of my life to write, and my wife recently reminded me that the experience was not a pleasant one. 2320AD then ate up a further 3 years actually trying to see the damn thing in print.

I really do wish them the best of luck, and I hope that all the fans of 2300AD (and 2320AD) give it a fair chance.

And to all the fans, thank you. For your support, kind words, and unflagging enthusiasm. That was truly the best part of working on this.

 

[steffworthington]

I had to work within the confines of accepted 2300AD "canon"

Hunter and QLI own 2320. Marc Miller owns 2300AD. I own, well, my car...

I'm sure that whomever Mongoose gets to do the work will do an outstanding job.

I want to be clear that the decision here was mine. Mongoose did effectively offer 2300 to me, but I declined. It was not from any disagreement over content or style, or any issues with Mongoose or the way it is run. I simply decided that I couldn't do it anymore. 2320AD ate up a good two years of my life to write, and my wife recently reminded me that the experience was not a pleasant one. 2320AD then ate up a further 3 years actually trying to see the damn thing in print.

I really do wish them the best of luck, and I hope that all the fans of 2300AD (and 2320AD) give it a fair chance.

And to all the fans, thank you. For your support, kind words, and unflagging enthusiasm. That was truly the best part of working on this.

Legend.

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

I too am sad that Colin will not be involved in this project. But I am still looking forward to it. :wink:

 

[gloomhound]

Sorry to hear about Colin, but I still want this book.

 

[Colin]

And so you should. It should be good.

 

[steffworthington]

This is the bottom line folks. It may not be Colin behind it but we will always have the 2320AD PDF (if you havent got it then go get it!) and for those who have been following the 'on-off where has hunter gone?' saga for a year or two like I have just remember that Mongoose produce books on a frightening, almost unheard of scale.
I have some RQ and some Traveller stuff and their books are pretty decent. So, if they can get the rights and go ahead then its almost certain to see print!

in the words of ancient Pistol - "Rejoice therefore!"

 

[Mark A. Siefert]

I also am disappointed that the Colin won't be part of this project; however, given how Mongoose has handled Traveller thus far, I think 2300AD is in very good hands.

 

[Alan Hume]

Many thanks to Colin for all that he has done
and best of luck to Mongoose with the ongoing project 8)

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

I hope that whoever Mongoose gets to do the book at leasts CONSULTS with Colin. He is a great resource and has already done the time researching a lot of the stuff. Taking what he did in 2320 and making sure the best of it gets into the 2300 redo would be very smart.

 

[steffworthington]

I hope that whoever Mongoose gets to do the book at leasts CONSULTS with Colin. He is a great resource and has already done the time researching a lot of the stuff. Taking what he did in 2320 and making sure the best of it gets into the 2300 redo would be very smart.

OOOOH VERY dodgy ground there... i would LOVE it to be true but Colin needs to focus on moving on from the project to pastures new AND Hunter owns (presumably) every new twist in the 2320AD universe created by Colin.

 

[Colin]

While I would be happy to look something over, it is unlikely that I would take any more active involvement. To be honest, I didn't want to risk getting wrapped up in it again. Besides, I have my own projects...

As for making use of any elements of 2320, yeah, that's a little dodgy.

 

[EDG]

If Mongoose does say a 2350AD book then I can't see any reason why they can't continue on from what was described in 2320AD. QLI may own the 2320AD text, but AFAIK they don't own the rights to any and all future projections based on that text. And as has often be said, you can't copyright ideas - just how they're expressed. (plus, I suspect QLI would be long-dead by the time Mongoose published its own 2300AD stuff anyway. Though if Marc had any sense he'd retract all of his licenses from QLI and revert them back to the authors since QLI have proven incapable of doing anything with them).

Also, while I can understand why Colin is burned out after all this, I don't think Mongoose would treat him badly at all - they're a professional company, not a fly-by-night amateur operation.

 

[Colin]

I don't either. I would have no qualms about working for Mongoose, were I inclined to work for anybody. As it happens though, right now, I'm not.

 

[gloomhound]

I don't either. I would have no qualms about working for Mongoose, were I inclined to work for anybody. As it happens though, right now, I'm not.

Sorry to hear this , but you must take care of yourself first.

 

[kafka]

As I said to Colin many moons ago...the money would be in doing a 2400AD essentially building upon the 2300AD universe and projecting everything that has happened since but I realize that Marc does not want that therefore we are somewhat stuck with what is...Any chance the good people at the 'goose could prevail on MWM the need to create a genuinely Hard SF RPG will all the bells & whistles that would incorporate all that we know about up to this point with miminal handwaves for FTL and selective aliens.

 

[tetsuo]

Colin,

I playtested the 2320 game(under the username commando) and I think the original system and setting is great and would love to playtest the Mongoose version.

I think the game year would be advanced in the Mongoose setting, maybe 2350 AD.

What would have happened in 30 years?

Kafer offensive to retake their homeworld. Probably succeeds in pushing back the Earth forces to their starting positions. Both sides too exhausted to exploit each others positions.

Kafers with the help of renegade pentapods develop drugs to counteract the Kafer plague.

Manchurians take advantage of French distraction in the latest Kafer offensive to reunify China with an offensive into China and Canton. The resulting entity is named Empire of China. China is officially elevated to Tier 1.

This results in increased tensions in the Chinese arm between the Empires of China and Japan as the Japanese expand into what the Chinese believe is their backyard. The Chinese are busy digesting their conquests for now and the Japanese take advantage of this by expanding into the Chinese arm, the Chinese of course respond back by expanding their space navy.. Of course the French/Indonesians/Russians support the Japanese. The Chinese arm has suddenly become volatile.

Third Rio Plata war lasts a few years and ends in a stalemate. Both sides suffer heavilly and this helps reduce tensions in South America as both sides seek a lasting peace and accord. The latin portions of the Chinese arm has become a haven of peace in a volatile region.

Germany has become more earth focused and with Chinese help started to expand into the Chinese arm as well. The Chinese arm is experiencing a unprecendent boom and expansion fueled by new expansio and refugees coming from the French arm.

French Arm has become unstable, taking advatage of the Kafer offensive, seperationist colonies agitate for independence from French rule. This results in the French taking a heavy handed approach. The resulting wars of independence result in an unstable French arm and has great effect on France world standing and economy.

America has become even more powerful with a stable American arm. In fact America is probably the strongest Tier 2 power in 2050. Also its world standing has gone up. Relations with Mexico has become better with a civilian Mexican government but there is still the sticking point is the former US territories.

However, the Eber homeworld has been discovered and has been quarantined or a plague has spread farther from it but quarantined in the American arm.

Also the Americans also fight a war with a new alien race in the American arm(the aliens who destroyed the Little Guys home world). stalemate for now.

What do you think?

 

[steffworthington]

hm. Extrapolation to the Nth degree.

Can we just keep it 2300AD canon please? There have been THOUSANDS of "What ifs" for 2300AD and can all be judged by how much their creators play them. Lets not fragment 2300AD before its been reborn eh?

Im not shooting down your HYPOTHESIS unnecessarily but it's not a future of 2300AD i'd be interested in tbh.

The more CHOICE we are given, the less we are SATISFIED with what we have.

Oh yeah, as stated earlier Colin won't be involved.

 

[tetsuo]

you mean 2320 AD now? 2300 AD is past tense.