What is the cost of an air/raft in HG Beta?

[snrdg121408]

Going through CRB 1st ed. Common Spacecraft the Scout and the Yacht has the cost of an air/raft as Cr600,000.

The CRB 1st ed. Vehicle Table on p. 104 has the cost as Cr275,00 and the Vehicles and Drones p. 111 Vehicles and Drones Table has the cost as MCr0.275.

I am asking in the Traveller forum if the cost is errata too.

 

[AndrewW]

The cost for the vehicle itself would be the same as the Core Rulebook price. Though hangar space may be additional if not using a form fitting hangar.

 

[snrdg121408]

Hello again AndrewW,

The cost for the vehicle itself would be the same as the Core Rulebook price. Though hangar space may be additional if not using a form fitting hangar.

Thank you for replying to my questions here and in the Traveller forum.

Under the CRB 1st ed. Spacecraft Design rules the auxiliary craft/vehicles are stowed at their tons of displacement, a full scale hanger is part of the options in HG 1st edition. I'll be tackling HG after I can match at least one of the designs presented in CRB 1st edition.

 

[AndrewW]

Under the CRB 1st ed. Spacecraft Design rules the auxiliary craft/vehicles are stowed at their tons of displacement, a full scale hanger is part of the options in HG 1st edition. I'll be tackling HG after I can match at least one of the designs presented in CRB 1st edition.

Yup. Those two options are still available in the new High Guard.

 

[snrdg121408]

Hello again AndrewW

Under the CRB 1st ed. Spacecraft Design rules the auxiliary craft/vehicles are stowed at their tons of displacement, a full scale hanger is part of the options in HG 1st edition. I'll be tackling HG after I can match at least one of the designs presented in CRB 1st edition.

Yup. Those two options are still available in the new High Guard.

Looking at the CRB 2nd. edition PDF small craft and air/rafts appear to be stowed in spaces small craft or air/raft tons plus at least 1 ton space. Vehicles like the ATV are carried at appear to be carried in a space equal to the vehicles tonnage.

I am getting the impression that the 2nd ed. design rules will have the same impact on published designs that occurred with CT LBB 5 HG 1st ed. 1979, CT LBB 5 HG 2nd. ed 1980, CT LBB 2 1977/1981, MT, TNE, and T4. At least with MgT I will have less to unlearn between the 1st and 2nd edition design rules.

 

[AndrewW]

Looking at the CRB 2nd. edition PDF small craft and air/rafts appear to be stowed in spaces small craft or air/raft tons plus at least 1 ton space. Vehicles like the ATV are carried at appear to be carried in a space equal to the vehicles tonnage.

Depends on which options where used on that individual ship. Both the form fitting and full hangar options are still in the new High Guard, along with a new docking space option (not that same as the docking space option in the current Space Stations).

I am getting the impression that the 2nd ed. design rules will have the same impact on published designs that occurred with CT LBB 5 HG 1st ed. 1979, CT LBB 5 HG 2nd. ed 1980, CT LBB 2 1977/1981, MT, TNE, and T4. At least with MgT I will have less to unlearn between the 1st and 2nd edition design rules.

A lot of the systems are the same. But ships wont be the exact same when designed with the current High Guard or the new New Guard.

 

[snrdg121408]

Hello again AndrewW,

Looking at the CRB 2nd. edition PDF small craft and air/rafts appear to be stowed in spaces small craft or air/raft tons plus at least 1 ton space. Vehicles like the ATV are carried at appear to be carried in a space equal to the vehicles tonnage.

Depends on which options where used on that individual ship. Both the form fitting and full hangar options are still in the new High Guard, along with a new docking space option (not that same as the docking space option in the current Space Stations).

The listed common spacecraft when carrying air/rafts or small craft list them in the following format: Docking Space (3 tons) Ton Column 5 Tons below Docking Space Air/Raft. An ATV Tons Column 10.

Basically, the 2nd ed. changed the stowage of Air/Rafts which is, not horribly, different for the 1st ed. or other Traveller rule sets.

I am getting the impression that the 2nd ed. design rules will have the same impact on published designs that occurred with CT LBB 5 HG 1st ed. 1979, CT LBB 5 HG 2nd. ed 1980, CT LBB 2 1977/1981, MT, TNE, and T4. At least with MgT I will have less to unlearn between the 1st and 2nd edition design rules.

A lot of the systems are the same. But ships wont be the exact same when designed with the current High Guard or the new New Guard.

Yes, a lot of the 2nd ed. systems maybe the same as in the 1st ed. however, those systems that are not the same have an impact that changes a lot of the numbers. I've made a quick check in HG 1st ed. and can see three will be changes to the original datasheets..

Thank you for the reply and hopefully I'll get a handled on one of the Traveller design rule sets some day.

 

[AndrewW]

Basically, the 2nd ed. changed the stowage of Air/Rafts which is, not horribly, different for the 1st ed. or other Traveller rule sets.

The old option of storing a vehicle/small craft or whatever is still there, just the ships included in the Core Rulebook don't happen to use it.

 

[snrdg121408]

Hi AndrewW,

Basically, the 2nd ed. changed the stowage of Air/Rafts which is, not horribly, different for the 1st ed. or other Traveller rule sets.

The old option of storing a vehicle/small craft or whatever is still there, just the ships included in the Core Rulebook don't happen to use it.

CRB 1st ed. or as the PDF is now titled Main Rulebook (MRB) stored the vehicles, which includes air/rafts, and drones at their tons requirement. CRB 2nd ed. store air/rafts and small craft in a docking space that adds a certain amount of tons to the air/rafts and small craft space requirement. The drones and ATV are stored using their space requirement.

Hopefully, I'll have figured out the 1st ed. design systems before HG 2nd ed. is published.

My attempt at recreating the Scout, Type-S in the 1st ed. Spacecraft Design rules has met with a small issue, which is not uncommon for me, with the published total cost on the ship datasheet. My component costs, including the air/raft cost of Cr600,000, and the life support cost match the values shown on the datasheet. I have not matched the Maintenance Cost and I am still digging to figure out what got skipped in the calculations for Maintenance.

Thank you for the explanation.

 

[AndrewW]

CRB 1st ed. or as the PDF is now titled Main Rulebook (MRB) stored the vehicles, which includes air/rafts, and drones at their tons requirement. CRB 2nd ed. store air/rafts and small craft in a docking space that adds a certain amount of tons to the air/rafts and small craft space requirement. The drones and ATV are stored using their space requirement.

That's the form fitting hangar. The current High Guard also has a full hangar option, just wasn't used on those ships.

My attempt at recreating the Scout, Type-S in the 1st ed. Spacecraft Design rules has met with a small issue, which is not uncommon for me, with the published total cost on the ship datasheet. My component costs, including the air/raft cost of Cr600,000, and the life support cost match the values shown on the datasheet. I have not matched the Maintenance Cost and I am still digging to figure out what got skipped in the calculations for Maintenance.

Not all the values on the stats on the 1st edition Core Rulebook are correct.

 

[snrdg121408]

Happy 5:00 PM PST AndrewW,

CRB 1st ed. or as the PDF is now titled Main Rulebook (MRB) stored the vehicles, which includes air/rafts, and drones at their tons requirement. CRB 2nd ed. store air/rafts and small craft in a docking space that adds a certain amount of tons to the air/rafts and small craft space requirement. The drones and ATV are stored using their space requirement.

That's the form fitting hangar. The current High Guard also has a full hangar option, just wasn't used on those ships.

Yes, in the CRB 1st ed./MRB spacecraft design rules the "hangar" or vehicle bay fits the small craft/vehicle's space requirement. Yes, HG 1st ed. does provide hangar that is 1.3 times the small craft/vehicle being stored. CRB 2nd ed. Lab ship p. 160 has an entry for a pinnace and an air/raft. The air/raft is not part of the CRB 1st ed./MRB lab ship inventory. In the datasheet is the following entry

Docking Space (40 tons) Tons column 44
Pinnace Ton column -

Docking Space (4) Tons column 5
Air/Raft Ton column -

The docking space for the pinnace and air/raft shown above includes some additional space which I believe would be for maintenance.

My attempt at recreating the Scout, Type-S in the 1st ed. Spacecraft Design rules has met with a small issue, which is not uncommon for me, with the published total cost on the ship datasheet. My component costs, including the air/raft cost of Cr600,000, and the life support cost match the values shown on the datasheet. I have not matched the Maintenance Cost and I am still digging to figure out what got skipped in the calculations for Maintenance.

Not all the values on the stats on the 1st edition Core Rulebook are correct.

The individual component values, including the air/rafts Cr600,000, and the life support cost in the spreadsheet match the values shown on the datasheet for the Scout, Type-S. The number I get for Maintenance Cost does not match the value on the datasheet.

I have to take a break from the spreadsheet since my vision is a bit off, hopefully the new glasses will help. When I go back in I will try and determine the ship's purchase price to see how far off I am. Maybe I'll find where I went off track.

 

[AndrewW]

The individual component values, including the air/rafts Cr600,000, and the life support cost in the spreadsheet match the values shown on the datasheet for the Scout, Type-S. The number I get for Maintenance Cost does not match the value on the datasheet.

Works out here to: 1897.125

Take the Total Cost: 22,765,500.

Multiply by 0.001(22,765.5).

Divide that by 12 for monthly: 1,897.125.

So if you round up you get the given value of: 1,898.

 

[snrdg121408]

Hello AndrewW,

The individual component values, including the air/rafts Cr600,000, and the life support cost in the spreadsheet match the values shown on the datasheet for the Scout, Type-S. The number I get for Maintenance Cost does not match the value on the datasheet.

Works out here to: 1897.125

Take the Total Cost: 22,765,500.

Multiply by 0.001(22,765.5).

Divide that by 12 for monthly: 1,897.125.

So if you round up you get the given value of: 1,898.

I received an email from Mongoose indicating that there was an update for the Main Rulebook PDF 2/9/16. The update is for the 2008 CRB 1st ed. I will be including the abbreviation of MRB for the Main Rulebook for over-clarification of which rulebook I am referring to in my discussion.

Thank you for showing me the process of how to determine the maintenance cost using the Seeker Mining Ship shown on CRB 1st ed./MRB. After I work through the Scout, Type-S the Seeker will be my next test subject

I have completed my review of the CRB 1st ed./MRB Scout, Type-S datasheet on p. 115 finding that my addition of the Price (Cr.) column for the listed components, including the Cr600,000 air/raft, results in a unmodified price of Cr30,850,450. Bring a standard design the cost is Cr27,490,500 while the Scout's price on p. 115 is Cr27,540,500. The CRB 1st. Ed./MRB price includes something that has a cost Cr50,000 that I cannot find.

Following the example for determining maintenance cost I will use my calculated Scout, Type-S price of Cr27,490,500 using the formula roundup((Total Price x 0.001))/12,0)

roundup((27,490,500 x 0.001))/12,0)=
roundup(27,490.500/12,0)=
roundup(2,290.875,0)=
Cr2,291

Do I appear to be following the directions properly even though my numbers do not match the published material?

 

[AndrewW]

I have completed my review of the CRB 1st ed./MRB Scout, Type-S datasheet on p. 115 finding that my addition of the Price (Cr.) column for the listed components, including the Cr600,000 air/raft, results in a unmodified price of Cr30,850,450. Bring a standard design the cost is Cr27,490,500 while the Scout's price on p. 115 is Cr27,540,500. The CRB 1st. Ed./MRB price includes something that has a cost Cr50,000 that I cannot find.

Following the example for determining maintenance cost I will use my calculated Scout, Type-S price of Cr27,490,500 using the formula roundup((Total Price x 0.001))/12,0)

roundup((27,490,500 x 0.001))/12,0)=
roundup(27,490.500/12,0)=
roundup(2,290.875,0)=
Cr2,291

Do I appear to be following the directions properly even though my numbers do not match the published material?

Yes, looks like the total cost of the Type S is off in the published specifications.

 

[snrdg121408]

Yippee, again and thank you AndrewW for verifying that I have followed directions successfully on a second item.

I have completed my review of the CRB 1st ed./MRB Scout, Type-S datasheet on p. 115 finding that my addition of the Price (Cr.) column for the listed components, including the Cr600,000 air/raft, results in a unmodified price of Cr30,850,450. Bring a standard design the cost is Cr27,490,500 while the Scout's price on p. 115 is Cr27,540,500. The CRB 1st. Ed./MRB price includes something that has a cost Cr50,000 that I cannot find.

Following the example for determining maintenance cost I will use my calculated Scout, Type-S price of Cr27,490,500 using the formula roundup((Total Price x 0.001))/12,0)

roundup((27,490,500 x 0.001))/12,0)=
roundup(27,490.500/12,0)=
roundup(2,290.875,0)=
Cr2,291

Do I appear to be following the directions properly even though my numbers do not match the published material?

Yes, looks like the total cost of the Type S is off in the published specifications.