LucaCherstich said:
A lovely idea, but even a PDF still needs editing, layout, art, and proofing, all of which make up the bulk of the cost in producing a book, and there is still no guarantee that it would get approved.
What is Conan's d20 line future with Mongoose
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A lovely idea, but even a PDF still needs editing, layout, art, and proofing, all of which make up the bulk of the cost in producing a book, and there is still no guarantee that it would get approved.
LucaCherstich
Mongoose
thank you for your prompt reply....I would even like no images + a rough editing (and let's be sincere: Mongoose Conan & Good Proofreading has never been a reliable combination given all the errors we found in more than a book of this line....)
I would also like to thank Matt for his reply - you've always been very up front with your customers and I know I really appreciate it. No matter what, Mongoose has produced the best Conan RPG ever - a dream come true for us tabletop RPG fans! Really, I never would've imagined the Hyborian Age would be covered to the extent Mongoose has produced. A small fortune in books.
The end is never sweet but thanks for being up front with us.
The end is never sweet but thanks for being up front with us.
LucaCherstich
Mongoose
I agree with you Strom, as I always said, I thank them for what they have done (the best Conan game ever..)....even if I still think they have part of the faults for the misunderstandings with Conan Properties.
I just feel bad for a few books whose texts were supposedly ready...but that we will never see in a decent shape, if not hacked and maimed in selected bits to be published in S&P.
And this is especially a pity, if one compare a product as "Empires" (we have been waiting for this book for at least 5 years...) with what we have got in the past couple of years: adventures books (I do not care about them) or....so-called sourcebooks (Khitai, Cimmeria, Cities...) which were definitively not of the same quality of the earlier Conan books...maybe they were poorly sold and bought .... but I wonder whether this has more to do with their quality rather than with the "d20" element...
I just feel bad for a few books whose texts were supposedly ready...but that we will never see in a decent shape, if not hacked and maimed in selected bits to be published in S&P.
And this is especially a pity, if one compare a product as "Empires" (we have been waiting for this book for at least 5 years...) with what we have got in the past couple of years: adventures books (I do not care about them) or....so-called sourcebooks (Khitai, Cimmeria, Cities...) which were definitively not of the same quality of the earlier Conan books...maybe they were poorly sold and bought .... but I wonder whether this has more to do with their quality rather than with the "d20" element...
PrinceYyrkoon
Mongoose
If the owners of the copyright are concerned about the recent developments of the Mongoose line, Id say its a reasonable bet to assume that they lacked faith in the latest unreleased manuscripts. The copyright owners have a vested interest in not letting any substandard material see the light of day. Im not saying that the material IS substandard, but Id say that they consider this to be the case.
I wouldnt consider there to be any real possibility, either, that this material will ever be available, simply because it will not benefit the copyright holders in any way to allow its publication. And Mongoose cant afford the time to get it to a finished state, with the very real threat of it being rejected at the last moment, either for legitimate reasons or pure spite (unlikely though that may be).
Id say weve already seen the last of the Mongoose Conan material.
I wouldnt consider there to be any real possibility, either, that this material will ever be available, simply because it will not benefit the copyright holders in any way to allow its publication. And Mongoose cant afford the time to get it to a finished state, with the very real threat of it being rejected at the last moment, either for legitimate reasons or pure spite (unlikely though that may be).
Id say weve already seen the last of the Mongoose Conan material.
Kev
Mongoose
PrinceYyrkoon said:
I hope I don't sound snide here but have you been following the updates on character revisions and casting for the new Conan film?
http://www.thecimmerian.com/?p=11736
http://www.thecimmerian.com/?p=11924
http://www.thecimmerian.com/?p=12001#more-12001
If what I've been reading is true, either the copyright holders don't give a rat's ass if the material is substandard or they have a totally wrong idea about what those standards should be.
IMHO, the 'Goose's Conan supplements have always been as true to the spirit of REH and his work as they could possibly make them (even those that required a bit of creative license on the part of the authors, such as Cimmeria and Khitai).
Hell, the folks making the film should look to the Conan RPG for inspiration and ideas instead of pulling terrible ideas out of their collective rear-ends. :evil:
I, for one, am truly saddened that Empires and the Thief's Companion won't see the light of day, whatever the reasons. It's a disservice to the authors whose work went into them, the fans who've waited patiently for them, the folks at Moongoose who took pride in the Conan line and to the only Cimmerian who went from being a thief to a king in some of the greatest fantasy stories ever written.
I've said my piece.
LucaCherstich
Mongoose
SUBJECTIVE:
If we take produts as "Pirate Isles" and "Ruins of .. " as the comparing parameters I would say that Khitai is DEFINITIVELY sub-standard:
1) not only because of the baclground inventions which are not wrong in themselves...if they respect some basic Conan REH canon (e.g. Hyrkanians should derive from Lemurians...but it does not look to be the case in the Khitai chronology...)
2) but because also its author has no idea of what Conan d20 is: e.g. the spells (wrong styles, prerequisites, unbalanced spells) and the classes...(I almost feel a thin RQ aura on them....).
OBJECTIVE:
Anyway, if we consider the declarations by CPI, it does not look like they care whether a product is standard or not.
They just said:
1) "NO" to something which is beyond the terms of the contract (the Atlases).
2) "NO" to an attempt of adding new systems (RQ, SW) in the LAST YEAR of license...instead of giving full support to the official system thus far.
If we take produts as "Pirate Isles" and "Ruins of .. " as the comparing parameters I would say that Khitai is DEFINITIVELY sub-standard:
1) not only because of the baclground inventions which are not wrong in themselves...if they respect some basic Conan REH canon (e.g. Hyrkanians should derive from Lemurians...but it does not look to be the case in the Khitai chronology...)
2) but because also its author has no idea of what Conan d20 is: e.g. the spells (wrong styles, prerequisites, unbalanced spells) and the classes...(I almost feel a thin RQ aura on them....).
OBJECTIVE:
Anyway, if we consider the declarations by CPI, it does not look like they care whether a product is standard or not.
They just said:
1) "NO" to something which is beyond the terms of the contract (the Atlases).
2) "NO" to an attempt of adding new systems (RQ, SW) in the LAST YEAR of license...instead of giving full support to the official system thus far.
PrinceYyrkoon
Mongoose
Well, I didnt say that I agreed. Perhaps rather than it being perceived as 'substandard' maybe its perceived as 'unsuitable'.
I think Khitai is less impressive than some books simply because the bar was quite high to begin with. I suppose you have to run out of steam eventually.
I think Khitai is less impressive than some books simply because the bar was quite high to begin with. I suppose you have to run out of steam eventually.
suppose there is always the option to take the best elements of conan and make a conanish setting for another system, thus negating the licence completly as judging by the news on the movie any future conan related stuff looks like it could be kiddy aimed crap. elements such as the various human types rather than silly gnomes n such, sacrafices for powerful spells etc could be nicely slotted into a dark medieval setting complete with witch hunts, plagues civil wars etc, im thinking kind of a mash up of the original warhammer frpg, conan, runequest/brp and dark ages cthulhu. in medieval europe (well britain mainly)
Ethan the Red
Mongoose
I started reading this thread a little, but rumors and flame wars were weighing me heart down.. So my two cents- honestly Conan D20 is the only D20 I have come to like. I think Mongoose has done a great job with an original game, true to the spirit of REH, and great art. I am saddened if it goes, but will not stop playing it! S&P articles are always well written and conceived, and individuals like Thulsa also offer new tantalizing tidbits. I love REH's Conan. I love the Conan RPG. None of this is likely to change. Thanks for all the hard work, and hopefully between S&P, and individual contributions (nod to Thulsa) things will stay good!
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