US Army Unit Stats

I get it with the medic... that makes total sense.
But the greasemonkeys and the cannoncockers, and the other rear line folks (in our current line-less environments, i know) I dont see them putting on all of this kit for anything more than qual.

Though I'm sure they'll have something specialized for the gunbunnies.
 
Well, for standard kit they're gonna have ot get used to lugging it around. Sure, they probably won't be tooling around the motorpool or lugging shells in it, but they'll still get issued it... though, for Artillery men I could see them having a specialized suite of software to aid them in getting the shots placed...

I'm kind of surprised no one's had any issues with the growing dependence on technology. In the War and Technology course that was something heavilly debated, since this crap runs on batteries... What happens when the battery dies?
 
All this stuff like Future Warrior, at least to me, is smoke and mirrors. While as Hiromoon states the troops could be all fitted with them by 2020, I do not think it would happen. Maybe on a small scale but not overall. How are troops suppose to operate with such a system over weeks of months on the Front? I remember the wear and tear on my low tech equipment when I was down range for a extended period of time. Equipment such as Future Warrior, would fail, since I believe they would be too fragile to survive contact. (Just a old soldiers opinion)
 
Well, the equipment itself is currently being field tested, TOS. And as the PM of the program joked, the men just aren't giving it back. Most of it is commercial off the shelf stuff that's easilly available in the current Army supply chain. They're trying to get to a plug-and-play capability too, where if there's something broken, the soldier can just plug in a new component. Myself, being the son of a Military Logistics man, I'm just a little skeptical from this past war (honestly, nothing was labeled, and most of it ended up in a huge pile at the offload point because of the lack of lables).

The first line of equipment, mostly communications stuff, is getting rolled out next year, and they're looking at 2012 as the deadline for full roll-out, TOS. And with Land Warrior currently fielded to a Stryker team for field testing, we'll see how much "tender loving care" the stuff can handle.
 
One question on the stats - shouldn't the .50s on the Hum-vees have double supression?

TOS/Hiro - with regards to the durability of Future Warrior and similar systems, you can toughen up electronic kit very easily - Toshiba made a laptop about 8 years ago that could withstand a 6-storey drop. computer equipment that gets sold to the public is pretty fragile at the best of times, but that's mainly to keep costs down.

All that said, battery power is going to be a big problem, even with modern lithium-ion batteries you're going to be burning a lot of pwer just to make sure your system is constantly sending telemetry back to the central node, and a battery with a few hours worth of power is going to be pretty damn heavy too. Does anyone know how they'd go about recharging? Would it be a case of hooking them up to a generator? Hell, are the batteries even removable?
 
Remeber that laptop that saved a soldier's life? That was one of my program's laptops untill they split that portion of the program off. We had that sitting in our demo room for the longest time and still had the slug in it too.

As far as I know the batteries are rechargable.... one plus I guess of the stryker since when you're riding around you can just plug yourself into the onboard powergrid. Beyond that I've seen batteries at last year's AUSA expo in DC mentioning cramming four large batteries worth of power into a small package. Small enough to fit on the back of a PSP without increasing the weight dramatically. So the technology is there for that... the question is the price (which, when asked for, wasn't given).
 
I hear ya, Hiro! Being a exsoldier, I am a sceptic by nature. While I do know the stuff is being tested in the field in Iraq, I also think I remember it being used mainly in a urban enviroment, in a limited engagement role. In other words, it would be easier for them to maintain the equipment since the role of Iraqi is not the same as a larger Front line mission where you do not go back to base camp for weeks or months on end. Wires break, batteries go bad, dirt get in your kit, heat and rain gets in your kit. Just can't see it working out.

I still have a strong dislike for some of the equipment I had that the brass thought so highly of. My damned M16 tended to jam on extended down range travelling. Great weapon on a firing range! :x Now the AK I used once in awhile, while not the accuracy and range, I could beat to death, roll in the mud, and it still worked everytime.
 
Well, on the front line your unit is expected to rotate out with a fresh one from the rear... that's why the Iraq environment is such a pain in the rear because you have no rear-area, so there's no real safe zone to send the troops to let them do R&R.

BTW, did you see the M416 by H&K?
 
Its gonna take a major global war to drive the Western Military back to the KISS level of equipment....

I would imagine that soldiers will use fist whilst it works, and when it breaks it will be dumped, and written off.
 
Valen is my name said:
when you say KISS are you referin to the SAS anacroynm: Keep It Simply, Stupid?

Naaa more tight spandex, funny shapped guitars and ridiculous make-up..... :twisted:
 
Well, some thoughts from someone currently downrange...

.50 cals on humvees, I have no problems with this. There are an aweful lot of M240Bs and even SAWs mounted, but many combat units are using their .50 cal weapons that normally would be used in a static defensive role on their vehicles. The majority of humvees I see out and about are .50 cal totting. The rest usually belong to combat support type units, psy-ops, medical ATLS, convoy rigs, etc.

TOW missile launchers do not currently fit the up-armored versions of the humvee. On the other hand, CROWS, a computerized target acquisition system with remotely control weapon is being fitted as it becomes available. This weapon system has great thermal optics on board and can see with zooming capabilties.
Mounted recon elements are finding a new niche in occupational roles. LRAS3 sights for long range target acquisition can sopt enemies miles away and allow the scout crew to either relay the position or call in CAS, artillery fires very, very accurately.

BFT devices are fitted to nearly every combat vehicle allowing it so see every other vehicle equipped with a BFT and enemy positions, IEDs, and other items of note on a computerized map. The communication capabilities of American army vehicles is amazing right now with new introductions over the last year.

Delta Force units, CAG, wouldn't be likely to be seen in a game such as BFV as their role is more point raids in urban terrain and counter-terror work. Ranger elements as such normally operate with large Ranger units. A SF ODA team would be a likely unit to see, and my unit ahs worked with them several times on various large scale missions. SF undertakes missions that are very wide ranging from point raids on high value targets, infiltration, ambushes, and lots of other sneaky sneak stuff. They would make an interesting addition to the force.

Small ambush-patol kill teams are all the rage right now. Regular line troopers set up a fire team with a designated marksman or sniper, and basically set ambushes waiting for the enemy to appear. These are special elements, but not special troops as they can come from any line platoon. Using them as a recon/sniping fireteam that is very cheap would be interesting to see.

Javelin anti-tank teams would provide an infantry-based anti-armor asset. The Javelin is an advanced top-taack missile that can pretty much kill anything out there.

Weapons teams fitted with machine guns and loaders would be an interesting way to provide infantry based heavy weapons. Many infantry units keep their heavy weapons in seperate teams dedicated to laying down fire for the rest of the line squads as they assault.

Personally, I would like to see some sort of mounted recon team, like a Shadow without the anti-armor missiles.

The Bradley is a well rounded IFV, not APC. The difference is that an APC brings troops to the fight, and IFV has the firepower to support them and suppress/destroy enemies as the squad advances. Bradleys have always had TOW missiles as part of the design, giving the infantry organic anti-armor assets. With the additions of reactive armor and upgraded commo and sights, the Bradley will remain in service for a long time.

I can't say too much about the Stryker because I have no personal experience with them.

The Army, more than any other branch, has access to specialized units. Helicopter air power from the mobility of UH60 Blackhawks, recon with the OH58 Kiowa Warriors, and killing power with AH64D Apaches.

In addition are the many varied units from air-mobile to airborne to armored.
 
cordas said:
Valen is my name said:
when you say KISS are you referin to the SAS anacroynm: Keep It Simply, Stupid?

Naaa more tight spandex, funny shapped guitars and ridiculous make-up..... :twisted:

i had two options and went for the wrong one :(

could say the same thing about the members of KISS thinking about wearing spandex :)
 
Hiromoon said:
Well, on the front line your unit is expected to rotate out with a fresh one from the rear... that's why the Iraq environment is such a pain in the rear because you have no rear-area, so there's no real safe zone to send the troops to let them do R&R.

BTW, did you see the M416 by H&K?

M416?, nope. I was a soldier in the 70s.
 
Well, I looks to be a excellent weapon. I note it can be given different optional upgrades and barrels and is easy to maintain. Both a big plus. Come a long way from what I carried.
 
Unfortunately PEO Soldier rejected it as a new weapon. It would have been quite easy to upgrade all the current weapons to the new one since it's just the upper recievers.
 
Well, some thoughts from someone currently downrange...

I notice that's your first post Damage, welcome mate, interesting read. Let's hope we see some of that gear...

Helicopter air power from the mobility of UH60 Blackhawks, recon with the OH58 Kiowa Warriors, and killing power with AH64D Apaches.

Hell yeah.
 
Yup, I'm brand spanking new here. Just discovered the game and it looks very, very promising. I played WH40K for over a decade and a lot of other games but always waited for a modern game that was fun, easy to play, and supported.

I am waiting for a few more waves to put together a couple armies. Since I'm IS Army airborne, I'm a little biased against the USMC and would love to see an USA list for BE. There;s so much variety they could do.

Props to MG on the MEA. They captured the feel very, very well, in both the models and scenery. It gives me interesting ideas for scencrios with ROE, based on the occupation I'm in now.
 
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