Starship Troopers Evolution

[MongooseMatt]

How is that possible with the current exchange rate? Unless you're referring to our border-hopping labor force. :wink:

Actually, the current exchange rate makes it even better. And no, no border-hopping involved. US wages just tend to be much lower in many sectors.

 

[MongooseMatt]

One more question: Matthew, isn't it past your bedtime?

Been to bed - now up bright and early for a brand new day

 

[Sgt. Brassones]

How is that possible with the current exchange rate? Unless you're referring to our border-hopping labor force. :wink:

Actually, the current exchange rate makes it even better. And no, no border-hopping involved. US wages just tend to be much lower in many sectors.

Heh,heh. Forgot about the reverse aspects of the exchange rate. A bit better on your side of the pond. :lol:

 

[knuckles]

so msprange, no matter what u can special order unpainted stuff, corect?

As a special order deal, I cannot see any reason why not.

That does it for me, my kids will love the ability to play this from the box and I can still satisfy my craving to create and paint as well as stil encourage them to. This is shaping up nicely to meet all comers.

I for one cannot wait for the sneak peaks to start rolling out

 

[Whatisitgoodfor?]

As you are now providing a game for lazy folks who want a ready-made game (not that there's anything wrong with that), how about ready-made terrain kits? Probably easier to produce than figs.

Funny you should mention this. However 'terrain kits' is a little too small in scale for what we are currently looking at. Project Uber Table is only just beginning but, if we can pull it off, will give players the mother of all set ups to play miniatures games with. . .

SOLD. I want one. At least one. Two if you do a desert world and a jungle world pack.

Speaking of jungle-world, assuming it is earth-type jungle, I would be using that with my 28mm pirates too.

And there's a break-out product that would sell like hot-cakes in today's market. Pre-painted pirate bands!

Okay, I know you guys have enough on your space-plates already. it was just a thought.

 

[patton]

the idea is growing on me... i still think u should of made the models out of candy...

 

[Sgt Xin]

DoH! I just bought the Army books too.

 

[patton]

its ok xin, god, i mean msprange says that they'll still work with the new rules and what not

 

[SickBunny]

Wow... didnt see this one coming...

Since I am one of those already mocked miniaturepainters who do try to squeeze in the 20 odd layers of paint on each part of the model and discuss NMM and such in coffeeshops... My first reaction was a few extra palpatations... then it hit me...

"You know, I have to admit, I always speedpaint my SST miniatures because for This game, I just want to get Gaming, not really rub my models to pictureperfection..."

That was my own quote that I've made more than a few times talking about SST to my both my customers and to my friends... gaming and otherwise... I've always viewed SST as the game that I want to play immediately because the rules are beyond compare... Its fast, furious and murderously brutal... Like No Other Game Out There! So I want my models to play damnit! Where as other companies products I slowly, painstakingly paint as high as my skills allow at any given moment... So actually, this is not that bad of a thing...

I like others fear for the general take of the gaming public out there, but this time Mongoose has a massive buddy in their corner... that of Rackham... since none can question their commitment to most beautiful models... And they are doing this transition to new wave with out beloved Mongoose... So who knows...

Though to add to that, I have to admit, I hope the models can be modified and modelled upon with a certain ease as this is one of my favourite things about the hobby...

*Crossing my fingers to be able to turn all my elitist, paintsnob coffeeshop friends to this new thing as is pretty much singlehandedly responsible for bringing the damn game to this country to begin with*

 

[SickBunny]

Ohhh, and as I know I'll be instantly accosted about this the moment I go to work...

What does this do to the plans for Stalingrad? The Battlefield Evo sounds like a good base...?

 

[Sgt Xin]

its ok xin, god, i mean msprange says that they'll still work with the new rules and what not

Yeah I know, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have bought them had I known this was in the works. My gaming budget is super tight right now, and SST is the only thing I'm spending money on ATM.

 

[MongooseMatt]

Ohhh, and as I know I'll be instantly accosted about this the moment I go to work...

What does this do to the plans for Stalingrad? The Battlefield Evo sounds like a good base...?

Mmm, well it certainly brings things forward a notch.

Seriously, the rules system behind BF Evo and SST Evo makes it very, very easy for us to design new games in a relatively short space of time (playtesting takes up the lion's portion of development, rather than actual writing). Our private Star Wars conversion, for example, took a day. World War II is a very, very attractive option for this system. . .

 

[Whatisitgoodfor?]

Is this a new-fangled, high-tech method of painting minis? Or is this done by humans in low-wage economies?

There are new-fangled, high-tech methods involved. The models are also not being produced in the Western world, for reasons of both labour and, just as important, material costs.

Now, I am not going to get into politics on these forums (you are welcome to PM me, if you genuinely want to know my position and are not simply looking for a fight!). However, I can say we have actually visited the factories involved, personally, and they are far from being the horror stories we have all heard about.

It is also worth pointing out that we have taken advantage of lower-wage economies since pretty much we started Mongoose. The economy we most took advantage of was the US. . .

Heck no. I don't want a fight and I suspect if there was one I'd be on your side. I am a big fan of the world economy.

I live in New Zealand and last month was briefed on an ad campaign by an agency in Kuala Lumpar for their Mumbai office which was pitching for the DeutcheBank account...

How we gonna get to SST if we can't get to one world?

I was curious about the new technology and techniques and am quite excited by the idea. If you can achieve these results now for X cost per fig, I'm confident that in 10 years quality will be higher, costs will be much lower and pre-paints will dominate the mini business.

If in 10 years I can buy high-standard pre-painted Napoleonics and Landsknects for about the same cost as the bare metal fig... well that's not a hard equation, and it would bring a lot of people into the hobby.

Congrats for being in on the ground floor.

I will continue to buy your stuff and hope the new direction will bring me a few people to actually play against.

 

[MongooseMatt]

If in 10 years I can buy high-standard pre-painted Napoleonics and Landsknects for about the same cost as the bare metal fig... well that's not a hard equation, and it would bring a lot of people into the hobby.

I honestly believe you won't have to wait ten years for that. . .

 

[Sgt. Brassones]

Seriously, the rules system behind BF Evo and SST Evo makes it very, very easy for us to design new games in a relatively short space of time (playtesting takes up the lion's portion of development, rather than actual writing). Our private Star Wars conversion, for example, took a day. World War II is a very, very attractive option for this system. . .

I have been looking for a definitive set of rules for WWII skirmish for more than ten years. At first there was Battleground WWII, then Combat Commander then Disposable Heroes. If Stalingrad is all that, I'm in.

 

[MongooseMatt]

I have been looking for a definitive set of rules for WWII skirmish for more than ten years. At first there was Battleground WWII, then Combat Commander then Disposable Heroes. If Stalingrad is all that, I'm in.

Well, think of SST, but twice as easy to learn, with Cover/LOS rules that leave no room for ambiguity, reactions to being shot at as well as enemies doing things nearby, and Suppression, all built into the core rules.

All this is on the rules sheet that comes with every unit box set. The main rulebook adds cool things like smoke, artillery, and firing at armour from elevated positions. . .

The included scenarios are fun as well - we have one in BF Evo that features a valley run for air units trying to knock out an important installation while under fire from heavy air defences.

Then there are the Special Forces scenarios.

Oh, and a complete campaign system that lets you fight an entire war. . .

 

[Doghouse]

Hmm, not sure where I stand on this one. First off the minis are very nice, I have to admit that but pre-painted? Where's the fun in that?
No more custom paint jobs, no more conversions, no more originality full stop.
This isn't good in my book but it's down to what the masses want at the end of the day. I can see the arguements already though if everyone's minis are identical especially in MI vs MI or Bug vs Bug games.
I'd rather see an improvement in quality of sculps than this pre-painted revolution. I'm a bit gutted if this is the future of wargaming as it takes away one of the biggest and most enjoyable parts of the hobby. There's no way to improve your skills as a modeller, where's the challenge?
I'm sorry for sounding negative but it's a sad day for SST, just please don't dumb down the rules for kids...

 

[roughneck GIR]

so msprange, no matter what u can special order unpainted stuff, corect?

As a special order deal, I cannot see any reason why not.

Sweet! So over MGP.com's online store?

Im' liking this whole idea! The prepainted minis will be awsome as I can rest easy knowing that there will be less wanting for my to paint stuff over on this end, though I like painting my minis anyways unless I love the way it looks, will the minis be capable of being multi-part? I am just one of those guys that regardless of fiddly bits loves gluing and assembling my lead and plastic together
And it will be nice to see a new present war game using sst rules so you'll se me interested in that, even if I end up using the pre-painted scheme

I'm hoping there might be some more encouragement from this towards canada, it's lonely here :lol: , but maybe, just mayb if I get to eager could give anyin a buzz...
Oh and this thread got pretty big in just a couple of hours :!:
"Long live Mongoose" :lol:

 

[Rabidchild]

"You know, I have to admit, I always speedpaint my SST miniatures because for This game, I just want to get Gaming, not really rub my models to pictureperfection..."

Wow, I hadn't realized it but I do that too. As a matter of fact I don't know that any of the 10 players in my Escalation League have done anything else. I wonder if that's the target market for SST? If so then prepainted will be a gold mine for Mongoose!

 

[roughneck GIR]

"You know, I have to admit, I always speedpaint my SST miniatures because for This game, I just want to get Gaming, not really rub my models to pictureperfection..."

Wow, I hadn't realized it but I do that too. As a matter of fact I don't know that any of the 10 players in my Escalation League have done anything else. I wonder if that's the target market for SST? If so then prepainted will be a gold mine for Mongoose!

Hey, I know someone like that, he plays some fort kay and once and a while sst with my own minis, but anyways I'm to much of a painting geek, it has to look good enough :roll: ...