Zekk_Sirius
Mongoose
patton said:
You could just continue to buy the stuff that's availible now? Just an idea.
Starship Troopers Evolution
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You could just continue to buy the stuff that's availible now? Just an idea.
Like it or not, this is the wave of the future for miniatures game companies.
First Rackham, now Mongoose.
One of the biggest impediments to expanding the market is the painting aspect. Most wargamers like it, but you can't make as much money just selling to wargamers. If you can open the game up to people who don't want to paint, presto, you've just expanded your market.
I wouldn't expect GW to go that way because they market their hobby as part modelling and part gaming. But for other companies, the game's the thing and this allows for a broader audience.
First Rackham, now Mongoose.
One of the biggest impediments to expanding the market is the painting aspect. Most wargamers like it, but you can't make as much money just selling to wargamers. If you can open the game up to people who don't want to paint, presto, you've just expanded your market.
I wouldn't expect GW to go that way because they market their hobby as part modelling and part gaming. But for other companies, the game's the thing and this allows for a broader audience.
gameguy1957
Mongoose
patton said:
It depends on the quality of the minis. The Starwars minis are cheaply made, come pre-bent into all kinds of shapes, etc. If the new SST minis are of good quality then I don't think this will be bad. Instant gratification is a great thing and will spur sales in game stores as people see the new shiney without having to put effort into the modeling end of it.
They can be repainted and rescuplted (again, depends on quality) once the new has worn off and you have time to work on them.
I've been working for almost a year on my MI, bugs and terrain. Most people I know that game wouldn't have the patience to do that. However, I watch them buy Star Wars, D&D and WizKids minis each week like they were made of crack cocaine. Especially if there's a new release.
So hopefully this is a good thing.
-JM
The Old Soldier
Mongoose
Well I for one like it! 
If the quality is there, then I am all for it. As for the wait, I can handle that just fine, it gives me many months to prepare some excellent terrain, and lets me catch up on my present minis. :wink:
8 months if fine for a complete redone lineup that will matchup with my present figures. Quite extraordinary!! Kudos!! A bold move, that can save a great game. 8)
If the quality is there, then I am all for it. As for the wait, I can handle that just fine, it gives me many months to prepare some excellent terrain, and lets me catch up on my present minis. :wink:
8 months if fine for a complete redone lineup that will matchup with my present figures. Quite extraordinary!! Kudos!! A bold move, that can save a great game. 8)
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
I'm in two minds over this, on the one it's all exciting, theres a new edition which is what I wanted to see, and it'll be prepainted which makes it easier to convince non wargamers, but its basically gone the way of GOMC1 and MightyEmpires hasn't it?
Pulling the game until April seems like it could really damage good will among retailers, thats three miniature systems in a row which have had this happen... this announcement kinda means no mass of new players till January, infact it might result in even more people pulling out 'till then, and its really going to kill any possible remaining sales when there's nothing new and people know there's gonna be newer (And apparantly much nicer) models out in a couple of months... people who haven't bought the army books yet have to decide if they wanna buy them, or wait April and get it' effectivly for free with the miniatures.
The models do look absolutly 100% gorgeous (I have to say that Ilyads Helldorado look just as nice though), and I suppose it probably is wise to just sit out the WFB storm till it settles down a bit....
And it's nice we'll get to see the 2007 update book material, but Mongoose really should release it as a swan song for SST 1st edition, I for one would be willing to pay for it, and if a tightwad like me'll buy it anyone will!
Pulling the game until April seems like it could really damage good will among retailers, thats three miniature systems in a row which have had this happen... this announcement kinda means no mass of new players till January, infact it might result in even more people pulling out 'till then, and its really going to kill any possible remaining sales when there's nothing new and people know there's gonna be newer (And apparantly much nicer) models out in a couple of months... people who haven't bought the army books yet have to decide if they wanna buy them, or wait April and get it' effectivly for free with the miniatures.
The models do look absolutly 100% gorgeous (I have to say that Ilyads Helldorado look just as nice though), and I suppose it probably is wise to just sit out the WFB storm till it settles down a bit....
And it's nice we'll get to see the 2007 update book material, but Mongoose really should release it as a swan song for SST 1st edition, I for one would be willing to pay for it, and if a tightwad like me'll buy it anyone will!
ok, i just need to know if there will be releases of unpainted-unassembled models, i'm a gamer and a hobbiest, i'm in the middle of the spectrum, if this game is not gunna give modellers a bone, then they'll miss out on a lot more hardcorp audiance, if their gunna make pre-painted stuff, no matter how well its painted, its not mine, their just pieces to a board game, without a level of making something personel, the game looses something.
edit-i also need to say that at my flgs these kinda games come and go .... they get played for a couple weeks or months, then everyone gos back to the tried and true. In my experiance, Pre painted games get little respect and aren't taken that seriously.
edit-i also need to say that at my flgs these kinda games come and go .... they get played for a couple weeks or months, then everyone gos back to the tried and true. In my experiance, Pre painted games get little respect and aren't taken that seriously.
shakespear
Mongoose
I think this is a great idea. Excecuted perfectly. I FIRMLY believe in ANY miniaure game, the majority of people HATE to paint.
There is only one company that refers to there game as a "hobby" but they sell paint, over priced bits and tools. Coincidence?
It will save me TONS of cash, because I wont have to pay a painter anymore.
An army table ready out of the box, GENIUS!
Oh, and "collectable games" get no respect. This is the FIRST prepainted game.
There is only one company that refers to there game as a "hobby" but they sell paint, over priced bits and tools. Coincidence?
It will save me TONS of cash, because I wont have to pay a painter anymore.
An army table ready out of the box, GENIUS!
Oh, and "collectable games" get no respect. This is the FIRST prepainted game.
As units are produced, the ability to grab the crackhead CCG instant gratification gamers will be at hand.
This will in fact allow Gamestores that either have dropped or are considering dropping SST to market a miniatures wargame to those who would never consider painting their own.
I currently have purchase lists of figures through next March so I consider the proposed April start of release for SST Evolution to be most serendipitous.
Also consider the introduction schedule for Battlefield Evolution with its stated compatibility with SST rules and figures.
For those who have wanted Tanks, Howitzers, Armored fighting vehicles of all kinds and the inclusion of current modern day units and weaponry into the SST Universe.
I see the potential for great things from both SST and Battlefield Evolution.
This should help settle the nerves of the devoted SST Fans (myself included) who have been concerned with whether SST will continue to be supported. Guaronteed.
I am now officially quite pleased with the direction MGP has chosen to go.
This will in fact allow Gamestores that either have dropped or are considering dropping SST to market a miniatures wargame to those who would never consider painting their own.
I currently have purchase lists of figures through next March so I consider the proposed April start of release for SST Evolution to be most serendipitous.
Also consider the introduction schedule for Battlefield Evolution with its stated compatibility with SST rules and figures.
For those who have wanted Tanks, Howitzers, Armored fighting vehicles of all kinds and the inclusion of current modern day units and weaponry into the SST Universe.
I see the potential for great things from both SST and Battlefield Evolution.
This should help settle the nerves of the devoted SST Fans (myself included) who have been concerned with whether SST will continue to be supported. Guaronteed.
I am now officially quite pleased with the direction MGP has chosen to go.
Well, so far I'm not impressed with your plastic M1A1 tank. I spent my time in the Army on one, and I can assure you, that whatever that is next to the Challenger is not an M1A1. Might send that one back for a resculpt.
Might want to look through this site or even Global Security for some better images. When I compare the two, I just get more disappointed....
Seriously, I hope you didn't pay someone to scuplt the master of that. They did ZERO research on it.
No, I think the biggest impediments is the freaking elitest "arteests" who come up with things like "Non-Metallic Metals" and "Layered" painting that requires 20+ subtle shades of the same color on a single mini. Where do they come up with these ideas? I think they all sit around a Thai Bistro in Columbus, OH during Origins and brainstorm among themselves.
Seriously, I know people who have seen them there.....
Might want to look through this site or even Global Security for some better images. When I compare the two, I just get more disappointed....
Seriously, I hope you didn't pay someone to scuplt the master of that. They did ZERO research on it.
No, I think the biggest impediments is the freaking elitest "arteests" who come up with things like "Non-Metallic Metals" and "Layered" painting that requires 20+ subtle shades of the same color on a single mini. Where do they come up with these ideas? I think they all sit around a Thai Bistro in Columbus, OH during Origins and brainstorm among themselves.
Seriously, I know people who have seen them there.....
Major Chaos
Mongoose
Mac said:
Actually they said it was an M1a2 for what it is worth. I guess it goes along with their 10-15 years in the future theme.
And for the record I dont mind waiting for these changes, but I think all of us old hardcores deserve a new shiny rulebook some time before a year from now! Think of all the new converts I could have waiting if I had a gamebook that could survive all the rules lawyers living around here! :wink:
Major Chaos
Mongoose
patton said:
Maybe they will have individualy packed figs for that purpose? Hope so.
Sgt. Brassones
Mongoose
Mac said:
It's an M1A2 from 10 years in the future. It just may look quite different.
JoseDominguez
Mongoose
I've got £600 worth of unpainted SST boxes on the shelf..... the new stuff will be out by the time it's all finished.
Guess where that's going.
Guess where that's going.
I'm all for pre-painted minis and am amazed at the standard displayed in the photographs. There was a time when I enjoyed the painting and modelling side of the hobby (early Warhammer days) but with two kids and a million things to do I just don't have the time anymore to paint. I'd much rather play. I paint a figure once in a while, the centerpiece for an army or something, but have been buying most of my figures for the last couple of years pre-painted by someone far more talented than me from e-Bay. If I can get the same quality for a cheaper price then you have my support.
The other thing is that it opens up more realistic options for larger armies. I always wanted to collect a really big Skaven army for WHFB but the thought of sitting and painting hundreds of the little ratmen put me off. Personally I'm more likely to spend more money if I don't have the inconvenience of having to paint all the models.
Cheers,
Eisho
The other thing is that it opens up more realistic options for larger armies. I always wanted to collect a really big Skaven army for WHFB but the thought of sitting and painting hundreds of the little ratmen put me off. Personally I'm more likely to spend more money if I don't have the inconvenience of having to paint all the models.
Cheers,
Eisho
I've got to say I'm really impressed by this development at Mongoose. I was really into SST when if first came out but couldn't get enough people to invest in the game. With these pre-paints, at unpainted costs, I'm sure I can get people to bite. Potentally Battlefield Evolution could go over better in my town than SST.
One more thing..Mongoose you guys really will have to push the advertising budget on this stuff. I remenber when SST came out, none of the three game stores in my area knew about the game, until I asked to do a demo.
Get the word out! :wink:
Joe
One more thing..Mongoose you guys really will have to push the advertising budget on this stuff. I remenber when SST came out, none of the three game stores in my area knew about the game, until I asked to do a demo.
Get the word out! :wink:
Joe
I have some questions:
What is the size of a boxed unit in terms of points? i.e. will a unit be 200ish points? 300ish?
What will be the price point of a "unit"? More or same as now? Is it related to the models? or the point value? The latter would be nice as then all armies would cost the same.
Will individual models be available? i.e. can I purchase an LAMI with a longbow and an extra fednet reporter? I am sure this is so, but if not... :x
How easy will it be to model different weapon configurations such as for the chickenhawk and the new forth weapon mounts? Will there be different weapons included that we can switch, or do we have to find the M-9 with the eact loadout we want?
As another previously asked, how easy really will it be to paint over if we want something different? Will they need stripping to get the outer finish off? I see this as more of an issue for my bugs.
and some comments...
I would really like to see unbuilt models of some of the new stuff. I was really looking forward to building/painting the fleet vehicles and especially the sneak peeks I saw of the forth. I am more the modeler.
I think only the MI will really be losing out as far as the modeling goes. Most of the other armies, except for some of the bugs are mostly metal and mostly single piece models at that(most skinnes and LAMI). Since in the future I would be ordering exact bits, hopefully the correct mixture of right/left arms for exos will be more of a 50/50 mix
In respect to the modeling, at first I was bummed to see prepainted minis, but now that I think about it, the prepainted minis will simplify things for me so that I can spend more time building other models instead of sharing my building time with getting "those two last squads" done. Of course this will depend on the quality, which looks to be good for now.
I have been playing with unpainted FoW minis for a while and I think I'll be ditching those for some BE minis
As long as I can still get the current bug and MI models, and the price points are at most a little higher than now, I should be happy.
I reserve the right to change my opinion immediately upon clicking submit...
What is the size of a boxed unit in terms of points? i.e. will a unit be 200ish points? 300ish?
What will be the price point of a "unit"? More or same as now? Is it related to the models? or the point value? The latter would be nice as then all armies would cost the same.
Will individual models be available? i.e. can I purchase an LAMI with a longbow and an extra fednet reporter? I am sure this is so, but if not... :x
How easy will it be to model different weapon configurations such as for the chickenhawk and the new forth weapon mounts? Will there be different weapons included that we can switch, or do we have to find the M-9 with the eact loadout we want?
As another previously asked, how easy really will it be to paint over if we want something different? Will they need stripping to get the outer finish off? I see this as more of an issue for my bugs.
and some comments...
I would really like to see unbuilt models of some of the new stuff. I was really looking forward to building/painting the fleet vehicles and especially the sneak peeks I saw of the forth. I am more the modeler.
I think only the MI will really be losing out as far as the modeling goes. Most of the other armies, except for some of the bugs are mostly metal and mostly single piece models at that(most skinnes and LAMI). Since in the future I would be ordering exact bits, hopefully the correct mixture of right/left arms for exos will be more of a 50/50 mix
In respect to the modeling, at first I was bummed to see prepainted minis, but now that I think about it, the prepainted minis will simplify things for me so that I can spend more time building other models instead of sharing my building time with getting "those two last squads" done. Of course this will depend on the quality, which looks to be good for now.
I have been playing with unpainted FoW minis for a while and I think I'll be ditching those for some BE minis
As long as I can still get the current bug and MI models, and the price points are at most a little higher than now, I should be happy.
I reserve the right to change my opinion immediately upon clicking submit...
jbuckmaster
Mongoose
Whoa... odd feelings here. On one hand, this is very cool. Great way to get new people in and such On the other... I don't want to buy "toys" I want to buy models. I want to assemble the tac fighter and the dropships. What happens to the retailers who invested so far? My local guy may be more than a bit cheesed off.
And what about the Mongoose Infantry? How are we supposed to demo stuff that's effectively dead until April?
-John
And what about the Mongoose Infantry? How are we supposed to demo stuff that's effectively dead until April?
-John
Bubba Ho-Tep
Mongoose
They could offer "white box" models for us who want to build and paint our own & offer it through Mongoose only. I could care less about the pretty box it comes in, save the cost for us modelers, just let us buy the unpainted and unassembled ones in a plain white box. I would still probably buy the pre-painted ones as well, just so I would have some new stuff to play with until I finished mine. My 2 cents.
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