SST RPG FORUM

[lastbesthope]

They were very open about their plans for SST to move to Traveller, but I don't recalla ny mention that the old D20 forums would be canned.

Besides, being open about doing something unpopular, doesn't make it any less unpopular, it just means everyone knows who did it :lol:

LBH

 

[SnowDog]

Well, this is Mongoose's forum so I don't see a reason why they should "consult" any of us concerning what they do with it. Despite saying that I agree that dropping SST forum and thus removing all threads was a bit rotten thing to do to SST RPG players.

Maybe the best way would have been to keep the forum and when the Traveller version comes just add both versions to the same part of the forum (or something).

 

[Iorwerth]

I think that, while it was their perogative to shut it down, as they own it, they should have 'consulted' their customers about it. It would have been the 'right' thing to do.

By 'consulted' I don't mean allowing themselves to be told they couldn't close it down - the power to close it or not rests solely with them. What I mean by it is that they gave some warning so info could have been saved and there was a little time for the users of the forum to have a go at persuading Mongoose to change their mind, even if eventualy futile.

That would have been the 'best' way of handling it. But everyone makes mistakes. What I do find dissapointing is the inability to get a straight answer to the question. The answer from Mr msprange has been that they have been exceedingly open about their plans for the SST RPG. While I commend that, obviously, I do not think it really answers the question. The question is about whether they were open about the closure of the forum, not how open they have been with any other aspect of the game.

What I would like is a straight answer to that question (though I am begining to lose the will to live with this discussion!). It doesn't really seem like too much to ask. I just don't get any reason to be evasive about it.

 

[SnowDog]

Ah, okay. It seems that I misunderstood the term "consultation"

You are absolutely right that Mongoose should have at least given a warning that SST forum will be shut down.

Thanks for correction!

 

[Iorwerth]

Still no straight answer from the powers that be.

I wonder why they are silent?

 

[tealzooka]

Iowerth, I am sorry you lost the fourms. Hope most players will join Nezeray forums. The question was answered but not the way you want it to be answered. Remember when Coke changed their forumals and the public cried? We got Coke Classic. Do we still have Coke classic?

 

[nezeray]

Iowerth, I am sorry you lost the fourms. Hope most players will join Nezeray forums. The question was answered but not the way you want it to be answered. Remember when Coke changed their forumals and the public cried? We got Coke Classic. Do we still have Coke classic?

No Thanks God! They brought back the Original (or latest version before New Coke).

Nobody's signed up for the forum yet. Also, I can host files pertaining to SST.

James / Nezeray

 

[Johnny107]

I got SST recently. I tried to play it with some friends, but we quit after i realized how unprepared i was. I had all but given up on the game when i discovered the forum on Mongoose. Before i had a chance to save any useful articles (there were alot of them) the forum was deleated... I registered at Nezeray's forums, and im hoping someone still at least has the pre-gen NPC stats so they can re-post them. Any other similar useful resources would be great additions to a currently empty forum.

 

[nezeray]

I got SST recently. I tried to play it with some friends, but we quit after i realized how unprepared i was. I had all but given up on the game when i discovered the forum on Mongoose. Before i had a chance to save any useful articles (there were alot of them) the forum was deleated... I registered at Nezeray's forums, and im hoping someone still at least has the pre-gen NPC stats so they can re-post them. Any other similar useful resources would be great additions to a currently empty forum.

I was pleasantly suprised that you joined my forum. I most often get spammers trying to sneak in.

James / Nezeray

 

[Magistus]

Might I make a suggestion. Why not start a Wiki for SST, as a repository for rules, and anything else you need it for.

 

[Iorwerth]

Why won't Mr msprange answer my question?

Is it because he knows he handled it badly and is not man enough to hold up his hand?

or, does he just not care what his customers think or ask?

By the way, i think the Wiki idea is a really good one, as is nezray's site, which I will join shortly.

 

[Strom]

Why won't Mr msprange answer my question?

Is it because he knows he handled it badly and is not man enough to hold up his hand?

or, does he just not care what his customers think or ask?

By the way, i think the Wiki idea is a really good one, as is nezray's site, which I will join shortly.

IMO, I think it's good precedent not to cater to immature demands such as yours Iowerth, who wants an apology because their feelings were hurt. When you joined the site you agreed that Mongoose has the right to remove topics/posts/forums without cause. And now you are crying that they did so? Matt has posted his reasoning and to ask for a apology after his explanation appears to be a personal attack when it was a business decision to remove the forum. It's never personal in business.

 

[Iorwerth]

Strom, i don't think it is immature to ask for a simple answer to a pretty straight-forward question. Why is it immature to ask for some kind of explanation? I have never denied they could close what they want, when they want. All I wanted to know was if there was any consultation before it was done? Is that too much to ask? Am I being immature to have expected that if the company's support for the game was going to to be stopped then some warning would have been a simple courtesy?

Nor is my asking it a personal attack on anyone. I suppose you might say that it could be an attack to state that the fact there has been no reply may be caused by the closing being handled badly and, therefore, a desire not to talk about it. I would not call it an attack, though. I would call it a hypothetical explanation of why there has been no answer. I don't say it was the case, only that for want of a reply i cannot think of a better reason.

Lastly, I don't agree that it is never personal in business. Business is rife with examples of where business has been driven by personal feelings. After all, business decisions are made by human beings and not Vulcans.

Having said all the above, I don't really care all that much. It is only a game. I can always play something else. But the fact that I can't get a straight answer to a simple question makes me want to continue asking :twisted:

 

[Strom]

Strom, i don't think it is immature to ask for a simple answer to a pretty straight-forward question. Why is it immature to ask for some kind of explanation? I have never denied they could close what they want, when they want. All I wanted to know was if there was any consultation before it was done? Is that too much to ask? Am I being immature to have expected that if the company's support for the game was going to to be stopped then some warning would have been a simple courtesy?

The immature part is not accepting the answer given. Why? IMO, becuase you want an answer that you find acceptable and I don't think a CEO should cater to everyone who doesn't like a decision made.

Nor is my asking it a personal attack on anyone. I suppose you might say that it could be an attack to state that the fact there has been no reply may be caused by the closing being handled badly and, therefore, a desire not to talk about it. I would not call it an attack, though. I would call it a hypothetical explanation of why there has been no answer. I don't say it was the case, only that for want of a reply i cannot think of a better reason.

You did question Matt's manhood for not answering your question to your level of acceptance. That is a personal attack. I'm sure he can handle it and hears worst from his own employees (sounds like they have fun), but I don't think it was appropriate for you to do.

Lastly, I don't agree that it is never personal in business. Business is rife with examples of where business has been driven by personal feelings. After all, business decisions are made by human beings and not Vulcans.

I'm talking about the big decisions. They have to be made with the interest of the stockholders or ownership in mind exclusively. Harsh but true. The SST D20 forum seems to be a victim of that type of decision.

Having said all the above, I don't really care all that much. It is only a game. I can always play something else. But the fact that I can't get a straight answer to a simple question makes me want to continue asking :twisted:

I hear you and I was just commenting that it's good precedent - IMO - to not cater to such requests, strictly from a business perspective.. Passion for a game is something all gamers can relate to and it can cloud reason like anything you love or enjoy. Nothing wrong with that. Best o' luck mate!

 

[Iorwerth]

Strom, you keep telling me that my question has been answered, even if not to my satisfaction, but I don't see where. Two things have been said, neither of which answer the question. The first was that the forum had to be closed - I have no real problem with this - if they had to close it, they had to close it. The second is that they have been 'exceedingly open about our plans for the SST RPG, more so, we believe than many other companies might have been.' This again is fair enough, but still doesn't answer my question.

So, I disagree with you when you say that i am being immature by not accepting the answer given. There has been no answer given to my question.

I have also thought about some of the other things you have said. You say:

You did question Matt's manhood for not answering your question to your level of acceptance. That is a personal attack. I'm sure he can handle it and hears worst from his own employees (sounds like they have fun), but I don't think it was appropriate for you to do.

As I said before, I don't think it was a personal attack. What I said was:

Is it because he knows he handled it badly and is not man enough to hold up his hand?

That is only a 'personal attack' if that is the reason. Given i don't know if it is or not, I have not actually made any attack. I was hoping that it might get someone to answer, if only to show there is no 'lack of manliness' at Mongoose.

Just so you are aware, you saying i am making 'immature demands' could be seen as a personal attack. Not that i mind.

As to big business decisions not being personal, i still don't agree. Not all of them are, obviously, but that does not mean it does not happen. This is all a little off the beaten track, though.

Your post Strom did make me think. I figure that the lack of an answer to my question signals there was no consultation. If there had been someone would have flagged it up by now.

So....

My real question then becomes:

Why did you not consult / speak to the users of the forum, to give them some warning, before you closed it?

Why do I want to know? Because I am a customer of this company and feel let down by what has happened and am seeking some kind of explanation. I don't see how I can be stepping out of line to try to get an answer. Should I just shut my mouth and stop asking questions? Should I just go gentle into that good night and not rage, rage against the dying of the light?

 

[MongooseMatt]

Why did you not consult / speak to the users of the forum, to give them some warning, before you closed it?

The forum had been running since before the RPG was released and had become very low in traffic. It was felt that anyone who had any use for the material on the forum would have downloaded by now.

Should I just go gentle into that good night and not rage, rage against the dying of the light?

I really cannot answer that one!

 

[Iorwerth]

Thanks for the answer. I do think it was a shame that there was not enough warning so people could save what they wanted, but that's just the way it was.