space = 0.25 tons
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-Daniel-
Emperor Mongoose
Until they tell me different, I am using that to play around with some vehicle designs. But I can see that does not seem to be fixed in stone. 1 car passenger seat is clearly not the same as 1/4th a displaced ton but it does take up a space. Anyone who has be shoved into the back seat of a car with two other adults knows those three seats are clearly not given 1.5 meters by 1.5 meters of space. Same goes for most air planes.Infojunky said:
But for now, I use it. 8)
1 Space is equal to .25 tons of Mass.
We are currently messing around with spacecraft weapons being put into vehicles, where the conversion rate is 1 dton = 10 Spaces.
We are currently messing around with spacecraft weapons being put into vehicles, where the conversion rate is 1 dton = 10 Spaces.
Not possible in the rules yet, but stand by 
Remember that dton is not really interchangeable with space, so this the "fair approximation".
Generally - spaces dealt with weight which is why ground-scale weaponry is measured by weight. Meanwhile, space-scale weaponry and gear is completely based on displacement.
So it's an exercise in futility trying to make it equivalent, we just need to ensure its balanced roughly... at least in bsuch a way that it would be mostly inefficient to mount any space thing, on any ground chassis
Generally - spaces dealt with weight which is why ground-scale weaponry is measured by weight. Meanwhile, space-scale weaponry and gear is completely based on displacement.
So it's an exercise in futility trying to make it equivalent, we just need to ensure its balanced roughly... at least in bsuch a way that it would be mostly inefficient to mount any space thing, on any ground chassis
Remember the Spaces system is also a volumetric system, reducing the the volume will reduce the allowable weight.
For instance Cargo generally has a limit of 750 kg per cubic meter for transport, the allowable weight per cubic meter is generally a bit higher for installed machinery.
And if y'all recall the base trade-off vehicles 5-6 is the quarter dTon with a allowable mass of.... Darn now I can't remember....
For instance Cargo generally has a limit of 750 kg per cubic meter for transport, the allowable weight per cubic meter is generally a bit higher for installed machinery.
And if y'all recall the base trade-off vehicles 5-6 is the quarter dTon with a allowable mass of.... Darn now I can't remember....
FallingPhoenix
Mongoose
msprange said:
But shipping size is in dtons, right? I can't actually find anywhere that states this.
FallingPhoenix
Mongoose
Infojunky said:
Ah, that's where the 1 dton = 10 spaces is. Thanks!
Is there anywhere that actually states straight out that shipping size is in dtons?
FallingPhoenix said:
Core Rulebook, page 131!
FallingPhoenix
Mongoose
msprange said:
Missed that, thanks!
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Isn't the "shipping size" very high?
A regular car would be 6 - 8 spaces, and have a shipping size of 3 - 4 dT. A regular car has a volume of say 5 * 2 * 1,5 m = 15 m3 ≈ 1 dT. I can see it having a shipping size of 2 dT because of weight and irregular shape, but 4 dT? The car has roughly the same weight as 1 dT of water, so not very heavy for its volume.
A minimal docking space in a spacecraft would be 4.5 dT ≈ 60 - 65 m3. That would be something like 8 * 3.2 * 2.4 m, that is a spacious garage...
The Core book AFV has 20 spaces and a shipping size of 10 dT. A real-world Strf 90 is something like 23 tons (90-95 spaces) and 56 m3 (≈ 4dT) crate volume. It would have a shipping size of 45 dT against a volume of 4 dT.
A modern tank (Leopard) weighs 62 tons (250 spaces) and a crate volume around 85 m3 (6 dT). It would have a shipping size of 125 dT.
I would say shipping size should be less or much less. Perhaps with the core book printed it's too late to change?
A regular car would be 6 - 8 spaces, and have a shipping size of 3 - 4 dT. A regular car has a volume of say 5 * 2 * 1,5 m = 15 m3 ≈ 1 dT. I can see it having a shipping size of 2 dT because of weight and irregular shape, but 4 dT? The car has roughly the same weight as 1 dT of water, so not very heavy for its volume.
A minimal docking space in a spacecraft would be 4.5 dT ≈ 60 - 65 m3. That would be something like 8 * 3.2 * 2.4 m, that is a spacious garage...
The Core book AFV has 20 spaces and a shipping size of 10 dT. A real-world Strf 90 is something like 23 tons (90-95 spaces) and 56 m3 (≈ 4dT) crate volume. It would have a shipping size of 45 dT against a volume of 4 dT.
A modern tank (Leopard) weighs 62 tons (250 spaces) and a crate volume around 85 m3 (6 dT). It would have a shipping size of 125 dT.
I would say shipping size should be less or much less. Perhaps with the core book printed it's too late to change?
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Regular seating for humans is too heavy.
Regular seating as in a car or airliner does not weigh 250 kg including the person. 3 people / space would be spartan, 2 people / space would be comfy, and 1 person / space is someone in battledress.
Regular seating as in a car or airliner does not weigh 250 kg including the person. 3 people / space would be spartan, 2 people / space would be comfy, and 1 person / space is someone in battledress.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Take a humble 5 dT barbette, place it upon a simple truck chassis (Heavy Ground Vehicle) with no other components. It is now a 50 space vehicle with a shipping size of 25 dT. Makes no sense...
