Spartan159
Cosmic Mongoose
Somewhere there is a calculation that ends up with the shipyard capacity of a given planet, it's used on the Wiki. Does anyone remember where this is and what the calculation was?
Shipyard Capacity calculation
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Spartan159
Cosmic Mongoose
Yah, just found that it sees a bit on the light side.
mavikfelna
Emperor Mongoose
While I agree for A & B ports, it's broken for C ports with any appreciable population, especially if it's an industrialized world. The x10 rate for C ports has given me planets with 100's of millions of tons of building capacity.
Spartan159
Cosmic Mongoose
Found it. Trillion Credit Squadron. 
And there we have it. For even more fun use the population pop-mod
And there we have it. For even more fun use the population pop-mod
In this case TCS and WBH handbooks are talking about different things. TCS is referring to the world's ability to construct its navy, while WBH is really sticking to the commercial shipyard capacity, I think.
Keep in mind the whole starport rating system (which you are free to modify in YTU) is based around Starships need a Type A, Non-Starships need a type B, repairs can be done at a Type C. WBH pp198-199 is talking about *build* capacity. As discussed on p199 a given type C may have no build capacity at all, but by definition still has repair facilities (otherwise it would be a Type D).
Keep in mind the whole starport rating system (which you are free to modify in YTU) is based around Starships need a Type A, Non-Starships need a type B, repairs can be done at a Type C. WBH pp198-199 is talking about *build* capacity. As discussed on p199 a given type C may have no build capacity at all, but by definition still has repair facilities (otherwise it would be a Type D).
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mavikfelna
Emperor Mongoose
The capacity from WBH is for build, overhaul and repair & refit.
Rikki Tikki Traveller
Cosmic Mongoose
Also, that capacity would be civilian capacity. Military shipyards would not be part of what the starport accounts for. Naval Bases would basically have their own construction yards.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
One thing that came up in previous discussions about shipyard capacity was that the naval yards were not typically used for naval construction except in wartime situations. They normally allow civilian yards to do the naval construction under contract while the Naval yards do maintenance, repair, and some prototypes to test some features and equipment.
Rikki Tikki Traveller
Cosmic Mongoose
I don't disagree, but is this written somewhere. I would think with entire systems dedicated to the Navy (The Depots), they would have construction capacity too. Currently the US navy has dedicated shipyards for its ships. They might be operated and staffed by civilians, but they are "owned" by the military. Groton Connecticut, New London, Mobile, etc. I freely admit I do not know how other countries build their naval ships.
Agreed. Depots are major fleet bases with significant construction and repair capabilities. However I'd think that while they may have that, they typically operate at lower capacity levels. They have no need to build 6 dreadnoughts at the same time, but with sufficient lead time they could ramp up since certain facilities (the equivalent of drydocks and cranes) are present and functional (or even mothballed). Many shipyards are not configured to regularly work on 100+ Dton ships - even a distributed shipyard - but a depot would have dedicated facilities to do this on a normal basis.
And don't forget that one of the tasks of a depot is to maintain the mothball fleet and rotate ships out of mothballs for upgrades and normal maintenance. So their repair capacities would should definitely outstrip that of a normal facility.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Naval depots would be specialized in every aspect of construction, refurbishment, and repair.
Shipyards which are privately owned, likely tend to lobby, and donate campaign contributions.
Shipyards which are privately owned, likely tend to lobby, and donate campaign contributions.
Can't say I agree with that. A depot may have shipyards, and not all shipyards are going to be privately held. It's quite possible for some planetary governments to have state-owned shipyards to build both naval and private vessels. There is nothing that would (or should) prevent such things.
While you would see more private entities lobbying, today you see both private AND public entities lobbying and even providing some campaign contributions - though not always in the cash variety. State-controlled entities have access to funds to do a great many things like moving public funds into private hands. Look at what DeSantis did in FL with a Medicaid settlement to push money into a private group that lobbied the government. Happens a lot more than you think.
