Ships in future and looking back...

Voronesh said:
Yer the firepower is nice, but what is the cost 55 damage versus 80 with int4 or 85???? Sry thats just not a comparison. Glass dragon when you can get a full dragon without the jaw? Id prefer to take 2 G'Quans than a single G'Quonth any day, alot more survivability and firepower is about the same.

ANd the Bin'tak is a tad weaker than the G'Vrahn too. less speed and OS instead of SL emine, plus the G'Vrahn has 4 instead of 2 AD on the mag gun......i dunno :S.
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oh for sure the 2 other choices are better, but it doesn't mean the G'Quonth is pointless
 
Well, yes that might be true, but what does the G'Quonth do better than a G'Vrahn? 4 extra Ion topr ADs, but then there is the missing Mag gun, the missing survivability, dead ships arent going to hurt me.

Yes it has an absolute gross amount of close range firepower, but not the speed it needs, thats something the G'Vrahn has (along with 2 turns instead of being lumbering) so discounting some good Jumping, its not really something thats going to matter THAT much......
 
Someone pointed out the G'Qounths have better Emines (8AD SL, vs 8AD OS and 6 AD SL), twice the Ion torp loadout of either the Bin Tak or Gvrahn, and has more secondary Ion and pulse cannons than the Bin'Tak or G'Vrahn. The one are it can't compete in is Beams: 4AD vs 6AD for lasers, and no mag gun. It does have it's uses and benefits.
 
Well, sure it does have some nice extra firepower. But what is 4 AD of ion torp against 4 AD of mag guns. And the emine difference yes also correct. But thats what i get 2 extra AD on the laser cannon.

Sure it does have its uses, but it feels like a Lightning cannon on a VCD, rarely used. And if something has a 1 out of 10 cases use factor.....i dunno, rates as worse to me. Like a T'Loth amongst Kat'Tocs.
 
No it isnt. ^^

Its just to make you cry when you would see its sub-par game stats.

Bad stats makes B5 babies cry!!! aka Look at lots of those big (Specially) armageddon ships.
 
katadder said:
you must be the only person who thinks that the command omega is better, the warlock outguns it, has more damage and also isnt lumbering.
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Personally I like the Warlock at War level. To me, the fact that people argue over whether the Warlock or Omega CD is better proves that they are fairly well balanced. If one ship was a no-brainer then it would imply that the other was too weak.

I like the 3 EA War choices, we have a tough brawler, an all rounder and fighter command centre. Granted it might be nice to have an Armageddon level ship that combined all three but we mustn't be greedy. :wink:
 
Lord David the Denied said:
The G'Quanth's stats being sub-par is no reason to dismiss my purely fluff-based argument... :P
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Yeah, the G'Quonth is a poor choice - it was a relatively late decision to drop its beam back to what it is now. It's always going to be a difficult ship to balance when its toughness is not altered and you're simply adding firepower.
 
Lord David the Denied said:
If a Primus variant at war level got duff stats, I just wouldn't use it. Not lost anything, have I?
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Nope, but youd gain a nice fluff ship ^^.

All i wanted to say basically is: Dont get your hopes up for a useful ship.


Yeah, 55 Damage simply doesnt cut it at war lvl. Really hard to balance. But this is just another argument for a more refined point system ^^.
 
Since this is just forum idea-vomit, I could stat such a ship myself... a super-Primus with Drakh technology, designed to defeat the ISA's fleet...

Meditate on this, I will.
 
Please do ^^. And give it some better fluff than the SFOS Tertius.

Post the stats when you have em :D.

Maybe give it a big GEG??? Superdrakh........ideas, ideas.....
 
Voronesh said:
Please do ^^. And give it some better fluff than the SFOS Tertius.

Post the stats when you have em :D.

Maybe give it a big GEG??? Superdrakh........ideas, ideas.....
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But the Tertius (and the Prefect) never existed. They were but a bad dream...
 
Lord David the Denied said:
Since this is just forum idea-vomit, I could stat such a ship myself... a super-Primus with Drakh technology, designed to defeat the ISA's fleet...

Meditate on this, I will.
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I'll stick My Cari Class Cruiser on tonight - sort of what you are describing :)
 
I have stats for a shadow enhanced primus and vorchan somewhere. First ed stuff, but easy to look at
 
Lord David the Denied said:
You really need to finish that project, Hiff. I'll lend a hand when I have time... :wink:
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ok, I'll crack on with the abbai project, and will say weekend for beta version release.
I have a modeling project for a narn Missile cruiser I'll get on with too
as for the chadow primus, it;s from a supplement that is kinda on the back burner, I'll look to revive it soon
 
Oh cool, shadow enhanced Centauri, look forward to it whenever u get around to it :D

And a Drahk enhance Primus would be interesting as well.

The idea of the Tertius being a war lvl upgrd to the Primus be sweet. also be a good excuse to use that variant to be Drahk enhance too since the timeline isn't that far off (even thou it's fluff ;) )

And eveytime i even read it's name, the G'Vrahn, it stirs my old centauri disdain and envy that they do have an awsome dedicated warship.

Again, like the Warlock and Omega Cmd. debate, as someone pointed out clearly, I'd say the arguement over them is a good sign they are balanced, jsut a matter of taste.
 
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