Shipping containers

You could probably jet your cargo in space and pick up a new module at the jump-in point, then let the cheapo system tugs deal with getting it to the high port. Just give a teeny nudge with the m-drive before release just in case the next guy arriving materialises on top of it.
 
Moppy said:
"Strongly suspect" your information is outdated - a lot has changed recenttly - or refers to smaller ports. The big ships can't dock at the US anyway due to their size: they are limited to the Europe-Asia route via Suez or around the Cape of Africa.

24 hours and under is the expected turnaround time for the big ships in a major chinese or european port.

Could be. I have always tracked things more from the rail-side perspective since I like trains more than ships. :) There's the listed speed, and then there's the actual. All those containers have to go somewhere, and not every port has an infinite amount of space to put them. The rail terminal for Los Angeles worked for the longest time at max capacity of about 50 or trains per day (each one can handle about 400 containers). But their total through-put had other limitations attached.

Moppy said:
https://www.porttechnology.org/technical_papers/examining_container_vessel_turnaround_times_across_the_world/
> its profile in 2011 has totally changed as it reached the first rank for the number of calls and an average turnaround time of 0.96 days, compared with 5.8 days in both 2006 and 1996.

I didn't download the article, but if his math is correct (and I wonder if the averages also average out how many containers are on the ship. Not every ship moves fully loaded) that's some pretty damn fast turnarounds. Of course for the really big ships (like the triple E that Maersk is working on) they can only go to specific ports that are designed with them in mind. Brand new cranes and more of them would naturally lead to faster unloading times. My "local" port, the Port of Houston, is the busiest on the Gulf coast, but it can't handle that ship. The terminals there have 5 cranes per loading zone. They have been upgrading to take the new Panamax ships, however, so things might be changing here soon.

Moppy said:
Consider also that you aren't unloading the entire ship when it comes in and that containers can sit at the port for a week or more until a truck/lorry picks them up.

edit: Found some actual data for you for different ship sizes. http://ciw.drewry.co.uk/release-week/2015-12/

In table 2 they give the number of cranes needed to turn around 19K TEU ship in 24 hours and it's 8 cranes at 35 crane moves per hour. A quick check on the nearest large ship container port to me ( Felixstowe, UK) gives 50 crane moves per hour and 8+ cranes on an 800 meter (2 ship) berth (although I don't know what kind of cranes those are: all cranes look the same to me).

That's an interesting article! Though your crane moves you cited above is too high, at 50/hr. The tables lists moves by cranes at 25/hour. And this paragraph here

According to the JOC, the terminal with the world’s highest berth productivity (for larger ships) is Khor Fakkan in the UAE which achieved 179 berth moves per hour on average in 2013, which is “only” the equivalent of 4,300 moves in 24 hours.

indicates that the maximum, and the actual are different. Assuming 8 cranes, that's 22 containers per hour. But it doesn't state how many cranes there are, so if you drop it to just 5, that's 35 moves per hour (also cited in one of the tables). Of course this assumes 22hrs continuous operations, with no delays, breakdowns or anything. I suspect the actual numbers are going to be lower somewhat. Still it's pretty damn fast. Not sure ports will ever meet what shipping companies want - but that's been a perennial issue since ships and ports I suppose.

Moppy said:
edit2: Remember a container is two TEU if 40 or 45 foot. :P So It only says 'containers exchanged' and the TEU value of those containers equals that of the ship. But not sure what an 'exchanged container' is. It could exchanged between ship and shore (which would be a complete unloadiing) or for a different box, which would be replacing half of the ship's cargo.

Yes, a monster 19,000 TEU ship is "only" carrying 9,000 containers. It's interesting how they ships have gotten wider and container stacks are taller, but the ships have only grown slightly longer.
 
One interesting aspect was that the containers were returning empty to China, so shipping rates were cheap enough to send them recyclables like paper and carton.
 
Condottiere said:
One interesting aspect was that the containers were returning empty to China, so shipping rates were cheap enough to send them recyclables like paper and carton.

A number of containers going back contain e-waste that is recycled/reprocessed in China. That and just the nature of containers in general. They aren't terribly expensive ($5,000 or so), but there are a LOT of them. And they are perfectly fine to be shipped back empty to be reused. Since they are empty they have very little effect on the ship's fuel burn. Not to mention that they would have to be disposed of at their destination, which incurs cost.

So it makes sense to send empties back to their origin to get refilled - at least until the container reaches it's lifetime as an ocean-going container. Then it gets retired and turned into a storage unit or whatever.
 
phavoc said:
So it makes sense to send empties back to their origin to get refilled - at least until the container reaches it's lifetime as an ocean-going container. Then it gets retired and turned into a storage unit or whatever.

This makes me wonder how your interplanetary shipping might look if you were limited to reaction drives and so you had to worry about mass as much as standarized volumes.
 
FallingPhoenix said:
This makes me wonder how your interplanetary shipping might look if you were limited to reaction drives and so you had to worry about mass as much as standarized volumes.
The major fuel requirement for a reaction drive will be escaping the planet's gravity. The interplanetary bit doesn't take much. Assuming you had a space elevator to lift the cans from the surface, it would be a lot easier.
 
Depends on how fast you want that shipment of brand new Xiaomi laptops.

Considering that tech levels are fairly static, they won't go obsolete just after they leave the factory.
 
FallingPhoenix said:
phavoc said:
So it makes sense to send empties back to their origin to get refilled - at least until the container reaches it's lifetime as an ocean-going container. Then it gets retired and turned into a storage unit or whatever.

This makes me wonder how your interplanetary shipping might look if you were limited to reaction drives and so you had to worry about mass as much as standarized volumes.

Under Traveller rules it wouldn't matter. Beyond that, if Mass is an issue you would want to ensure no extra mass in your storage containers was carried, or at least it was minimized. If you are worrying about mass then you'd have two types of transports - slow for bulky static things, and fast for people or perishable. Plus you could take advantage of sling-shoting as well for extra speed.
 
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