Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
This is likely to turn out to be the Pacific campaign, which means mixed aerospace groups, at least to ensure that one group doesn't just get wiped out before contact.
Ship Design Philosophy
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This is likely to turn out to be the Pacific campaign, which means mixed aerospace groups, at least to ensure that one group doesn't just get wiped out before contact.
ProfGrizzlyJon
Cosmic Mongoose
1) The math is easier at 25 tons, but that was more of a "wish list" item to compensate for the firmpoint barbette change (2 to 3).
2) That means zero options for fixed mounts on sub-5dton vehicles? Or just ground-scale weapons?
3) I am not sure I agree- turrets seem to be more about fire arcs than "open sight" aiming. The question is how much "wiggle room" does a fixed mount have. Is it locked in position, like the .50 cal and rocket pods on the OH-58D, or does it have some traverse (basically a pintel mount in a firing port)?
4) Agreed, that is my interpretation as well. Barrel length and the equivalent for energy weapons is smaller (this sort of matches the weapon design rules of the Field Handbook)
5) Agreed, that is my interpretation as well.
6) Agreed, that is my interpretation as well.
7) There are lots of options for close in defense. Not sure what the issue is here.
8) Sounds interesting. But, then again, I am the guy who would de facto spinal mount a 35-ton orbital defense cannon or hypervelocity cannon in a Fat Trader and call it a day.
9) Paranoia is good; especially in the absence of immediate gratification from ansible communications
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
1. Math might be, current rule set makes it five to thirty four tonnes for the first firmpoint; since you can't have a spacecraft hull below five tonnes, that sort of dictates the lower end of the range, helpful to remember if you have a hundred and five tonne hull.
2. See above; groundscale weapon systems have no set limitations, but actual mass translated to volume makes space usage very inefficient, so self limiting.
3. Open sight in the sense direct line of sight requirement, as opposed to guided manoeuvrable; you could have smart bullets, considering space ranges would allow that, but as I recall, ammunition costs would kill you.
4. At fifty kiloklix, slight variation would essentially be a very wide miss.
5. I've studied the potentialities of sandcasters; I'm not saying that I'm correct in real life function, just that the rules allow this interpretation.
6. Upto one hundred eighty degrees; might be more of an issue in dogfighting.
7. Everything else needs external electricity to propel, except missiles and torpedoes; canisters fall into a grey zone.
8. See point two.
9. Probably.
2. See above; groundscale weapon systems have no set limitations, but actual mass translated to volume makes space usage very inefficient, so self limiting.
3. Open sight in the sense direct line of sight requirement, as opposed to guided manoeuvrable; you could have smart bullets, considering space ranges would allow that, but as I recall, ammunition costs would kill you.
4. At fifty kiloklix, slight variation would essentially be a very wide miss.
5. I've studied the potentialities of sandcasters; I'm not saying that I'm correct in real life function, just that the rules allow this interpretation.
6. Upto one hundred eighty degrees; might be more of an issue in dogfighting.
7. Everything else needs external electricity to propel, except missiles and torpedoes; canisters fall into a grey zone.
8. See point two.
9. Probably.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Mustering Out Benefits and Ship's Boat
1. Nominally, free and clear with a net worth of seven and a half megastarbux.
2. Pinnace is nine and a half megastarbux, with maybe a twenty one percent mortgage.
3. Modular cutter a tad under twelve megastarbux, thirty seven percent mortgage.
4. Shuttle, with fifty five percent mortgage.
5. Wouldn't bother with a launch.
6. Interesting target cost to aim at for a smallcraft, that the mustered out character could pick.
7. Would need to have military applications in order to be eligible, since I think it's only available to Navy veterans.
8. Presumably, forty years old.
9. In theory, if you find a ten tonne jump drive laying about, weld together some spare hulls and you have a starship.
1. Nominally, free and clear with a net worth of seven and a half megastarbux.
2. Pinnace is nine and a half megastarbux, with maybe a twenty one percent mortgage.
3. Modular cutter a tad under twelve megastarbux, thirty seven percent mortgage.
4. Shuttle, with fifty five percent mortgage.
5. Wouldn't bother with a launch.
6. Interesting target cost to aim at for a smallcraft, that the mustered out character could pick.
7. Would need to have military applications in order to be eligible, since I think it's only available to Navy veterans.
8. Presumably, forty years old.
9. In theory, if you find a ten tonne jump drive laying about, weld together some spare hulls and you have a starship.
ColinD
Cosmic Mongoose
I used a version of number 9 a starting adventure a few days ago. The characters put together a starship from "Jane's Starship Junkyard".
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
The junkyard option is also pretty easy to exploit, so I wouldn't make it generic, but rather specific to a location, with lists of components and their conditions, and likely prices.
Having said that, unless there's some incompatible differences in manufacturing, there should have been millions of Alpha jump drives manufactured by now (or then).
Having said that, unless there's some incompatible differences in manufacturing, there should have been millions of Alpha jump drives manufactured by now (or then).
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Starships: Mustering Out Benefits and Ship Shares
1. It's megastarbux, not much in scheme of things.
2. Would use it for upgrades and repairs, since you could assume increased capabilities will pay off in better results.
3. Laboratory Ship is the most valuable, also biggest overhead, so you really need it to generate revenue or get a patron.
4. Safari Ship and Yacht cost about the same, but the Safari Ship has a greater range - I would guess it would depend on the flavour of the campaign, grit versus soft power.
5. Scout/Courier, if all you need is cheap transportation.
6. Free Trader, jack of all trades, should be easy to convert for a number of likely missions that Travellers tend to embark on, possibly all at the same time; wouldn't try the influencer route, though, that's for the Yacht.
7. Most come with a seventy five percent mortgage, at around sixty to seventy megastarbux.
8. Let's say sixty, with thirteen megastarbux equity.
9. That's something to aim for with a more customized starship, which I'll have a go at, but spoiler, a ten tonne jump drive defaults at fifteen megastarbux.
1. It's megastarbux, not much in scheme of things.
2. Would use it for upgrades and repairs, since you could assume increased capabilities will pay off in better results.
3. Laboratory Ship is the most valuable, also biggest overhead, so you really need it to generate revenue or get a patron.
4. Safari Ship and Yacht cost about the same, but the Safari Ship has a greater range - I would guess it would depend on the flavour of the campaign, grit versus soft power.
5. Scout/Courier, if all you need is cheap transportation.
6. Free Trader, jack of all trades, should be easy to convert for a number of likely missions that Travellers tend to embark on, possibly all at the same time; wouldn't try the influencer route, though, that's for the Yacht.
7. Most come with a seventy five percent mortgage, at around sixty to seventy megastarbux.
8. Let's say sixty, with thirteen megastarbux equity.
9. That's something to aim for with a more customized starship, which I'll have a go at, but spoiler, a ten tonne jump drive defaults at fifteen megastarbux.
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Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Starships: Rockette Class
1. Hull - hundred tonne planetoid.
2. Gravitated.
3. Eighty tonnes usable volume.
4. Self sealing, since technological level nine plus.
5. Fifty hull points.
6. Natural armour class plus two.
7. One hardpoint.
8. Basic systems - eight to sixteen power points.
9. External cargo mount - nominally twenty tonnes at twenty kilostarbux.
1. Hull - hundred tonne planetoid.
2. Gravitated.
3. Eighty tonnes usable volume.
4. Self sealing, since technological level nine plus.
5. Fifty hull points.
6. Natural armour class plus two.
7. One hardpoint.
8. Basic systems - eight to sixteen power points.
9. External cargo mount - nominally twenty tonnes at twenty kilostarbux.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Starships: Rockette Class
A. Jump drive Venture.
B. Technological level nine.
C. Budgetted/increased size.
D. Ten tonnes.
E. One hundred twenty parsec tonnes.
F. Nine megastarbux.
A. Jump drive Venture.
B. Technological level nine.
C. Budgetted/increased size.
D. Ten tonnes.
E. One hundred twenty parsec tonnes.
F. Nine megastarbux.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Starships: Rockette Class
G. Generic reactionary rocket.
H. Technological level seven.
I. Budgetted/fuel inefficiency.
J. Two tonnes.
K. Three tenths of a megastarbux.
G. Generic reactionary rocket.
H. Technological level seven.
I. Budgetted/fuel inefficiency.
J. Two tonnes.
K. Three tenths of a megastarbux.
ProfGrizzlyJon
Cosmic Mongoose
What is the source material for these? I can't seem to find a Rockette class starship
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
High Guard.
I'm starting to update my cheapest possible starship concept, within canonized material.
I could make a cheaper jump drive, but game legality would be highly controversial, besides the one shot jump drive.
I'm starting to update my cheapest possible starship concept, within canonized material.
I could make a cheaper jump drive, but game legality would be highly controversial, besides the one shot jump drive.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Starships: Rockette Class
L. Early fusion reactor.
M. Technological level eight.
N. Budgetted/increased size.
O. One tonne.
P. Three tenths of a megastarbux.
L. Early fusion reactor.
M. Technological level eight.
N. Budgetted/increased size.
O. One tonne.
P. Three tenths of a megastarbux.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Starships: Rockette Class
Q. Smaller bridge.
R. Six tonnes.
S. ... DM-1 for all checks related to spacecraft operations made from within the bridge ...
T. Quarter of a megastarbux.
U. After all, you're not going faster than one gee, or go further than a parsec.
Q. Smaller bridge.
R. Six tonnes.
S. ... DM-1 for all checks related to spacecraft operations made from within the bridge ...
T. Quarter of a megastarbux.
U. After all, you're not going faster than one gee, or go further than a parsec.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Starships: Rockette Class
Q. Computer/five.
R. Thirty kilostarbux.
S. Manoeuvre, freebie.
T. Library, freebie.
U. Jump control/one, one tenth of a megastarbux.
Q. Computer/five.
R. Thirty kilostarbux.
S. Manoeuvre, freebie.
T. Library, freebie.
U. Jump control/one, one tenth of a megastarbux.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Computers and Crew Virtualization
1. Costs one megastarbux for factor zero.
2. Requires technological level ten and five bandwidth, per five crew positions.
3. Indeed, ships can be designed without a bridge, relying purely on this software package in order to function as a drone.
4. I interpret that as the physical bridge, for the human crew.
5. However, the cost of the bridge remains, since you still need to control the spacecraft, even if fly by wifi.
6. Default would be half a megastarbux per hundred tonnes, or part thereof.
7. Halved, if you're willing to have a minus one penalty to all spacecraft operations carried out from the bridge.
8. Technological level ten computer core has a bandwidth of a hundred, which would cap crew positions to hundred at any one time.
9. Though I suppose you could timeshare them, presumably without delay, but every six minutes turnover.
1. Costs one megastarbux for factor zero.
2. Requires technological level ten and five bandwidth, per five crew positions.
3. Indeed, ships can be designed without a bridge, relying purely on this software package in order to function as a drone.
4. I interpret that as the physical bridge, for the human crew.
5. However, the cost of the bridge remains, since you still need to control the spacecraft, even if fly by wifi.
6. Default would be half a megastarbux per hundred tonnes, or part thereof.
7. Halved, if you're willing to have a minus one penalty to all spacecraft operations carried out from the bridge.
8. Technological level ten computer core has a bandwidth of a hundred, which would cap crew positions to hundred at any one time.
9. Though I suppose you could timeshare them, presumably without delay, but every six minutes turnover.
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Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Starships: Rockette Class
V. Basic sensors, which I would think be be automatically attached to every cockpit or bridge, even if only as a backup.
W. Hardpoints are free, tonnage allocation for turret would be drawn from cargo, if required.
X. Fuel processor saves cost, one tonne for fifty kilostarbux.
Y. Fuel scoops aren't free, and not ideal hull configuration, so no.
Z. Two tonne airlock, no tonnage, and freebie.
V. Basic sensors, which I would think be be automatically attached to every cockpit or bridge, even if only as a backup.
W. Hardpoints are free, tonnage allocation for turret would be drawn from cargo, if required.
X. Fuel processor saves cost, one tonne for fifty kilostarbux.
Y. Fuel scoops aren't free, and not ideal hull configuration, so no.
Z. Two tonne airlock, no tonnage, and freebie.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Freebie Two Tonne Airlocks
1. One per hundred tonnes of hull.
2. No tonnage required.
3. No cost.
4. That's a potential two percent of tonnage.
5. And one tenths of a megastarbux gift per airlock.
6. Which I think is a very bad idea.
7. Unrealistic.
8. And very exploitable.
9. On the other hand, has to be applied to my designs, since every other canon ship exploits the concept.
1. One per hundred tonnes of hull.
2. No tonnage required.
3. No cost.
4. That's a potential two percent of tonnage.
5. And one tenths of a megastarbux gift per airlock.
6. Which I think is a very bad idea.
7. Unrealistic.
8. And very exploitable.
9. On the other hand, has to be applied to my designs, since every other canon ship exploits the concept.
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Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Starships: Rockette Class
1. That leaves us with sixty tonnes empty.
2. A ten tonne stable, twenty five kilostarbux.
3. Stables come with their own air scrubbers and waste-collectors, avoiding the need to tax the existing life support systems of the ship.
4. Life support for upto twenty humans.
5. Cost twenty five hundred starbux per four weeks.
6. Combined with six tonne smaller bridge, and empty cargo spaces.
7. Twenty tonne fuel tank, freebie.
8. Thirty tonne cargo, freebie.
9. Cargo hatch, presumably freebie.
1. That leaves us with sixty tonnes empty.
2. A ten tonne stable, twenty five kilostarbux.
3. Stables come with their own air scrubbers and waste-collectors, avoiding the need to tax the existing life support systems of the ship.
4. Life support for upto twenty humans.
5. Cost twenty five hundred starbux per four weeks.
6. Combined with six tonne smaller bridge, and empty cargo spaces.
7. Twenty tonne fuel tank, freebie.
8. Thirty tonne cargo, freebie.
9. Cargo hatch, presumably freebie.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Inspiration: Space Truckers FULL MOVIE | Sci Fi Movies | Dennis Hopper | The Midnight Screening
A space trucker and his cute fiancee are on their way from a space station to Earth with an unknown cargo. When space pirates hijack them, 5000 disintegrator robots are found in the cargo.
Starring - Dennis Hopper, Stephen Dorff, Charles Dance, Tim Loane, Ian Beattie, Olwen Fouéré.
Directed By - Stuart Gordon
1. That's why you have failsafes in lethal programmes.
2. Being a genius, should have seen that coming.
3. "You're upsetting my pigs."
4. Bullet proof portholes.
5. Toilet gatekeepers.
6. I love the taste of toothpaste in the morning.
7. Pop ups.
8. Refrigerator optional.
9. Pheromones.
A. Captive audience.
B. Seven different forms of sedation.
C. Pull off.
D. Pirates versus ninja(bots).
E. Alien(s) rip off.
F. Loose ends.
A space trucker and his cute fiancee are on their way from a space station to Earth with an unknown cargo. When space pirates hijack them, 5000 disintegrator robots are found in the cargo.
Starring - Dennis Hopper, Stephen Dorff, Charles Dance, Tim Loane, Ian Beattie, Olwen Fouéré.
Directed By - Stuart Gordon
1. That's why you have failsafes in lethal programmes.
2. Being a genius, should have seen that coming.
3. "You're upsetting my pigs."
4. Bullet proof portholes.
5. Toilet gatekeepers.
6. I love the taste of toothpaste in the morning.
7. Pop ups.
8. Refrigerator optional.
9. Pheromones.
A. Captive audience.
B. Seven different forms of sedation.
C. Pull off.
D. Pirates versus ninja(bots).
E. Alien(s) rip off.
F. Loose ends.
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