S&P 48 LAV ???

[tiepilot1138]

I did notice another problem. On the MV-22 card, under "Materiel", it lists 1 MV-22 w/ MG. In the weapon stats, it lists both ASRAAM's, JDAM's and JDAM Cluster Bombs. There is no description for anything other than the MG under the special rules. Are these really supposed to be on the card? If so, that's one HELL of a vehicle for 120 pts, especially since it can also carry 24 troops.

Also, did you really mean that it can carry SIX Humvee's/Shadows? If so, WHERE?!?

Please, Matt, some clarification...

 

[Paladin]

Osprey - YIKES! The Osprey is a monster and a half. Is the armament really correct? I wouldn't think it would hold more than MGs. Especially if configured with the Transport option. I'm also not sure why a Size 2 model that holds 6-9 size 1 models only takes up the space of 4 Size 1 models. I hate to say it, but this unit REALLY needs to be reconsidered and fixed via errata.

Snipers - Am I missing something in the stats? There is no reason to take the M-40A3 over the M109 for the sniper as the upgrade is free.

EFV - Armor is a bit thick and the capacity is not 17. It would have been accurate and perfect for a fully maxed infantry squad unit. Unfortunately this is rather disappointing as well.

The pictures selected are fitting and it's goo to have new cards, but I am in the list of those whose expectations were not met.





As an aside are the units being released in S&P actually playtested as "real units". I'm curious to know exactly how many were in the queue prior to the pausing of the game's release.

 

[Paladin]

Sorry for jacking your thread Matt; I'll try to be brief.

The following is a message to the BF:Evo community as a whole. In lieu of the recent "bashing of the Mongoose" type posts that seem to keep popping up I'd like to help prevent such events from occuring. I'd like some assistance from you in presenting concrete suggestions for future releases in Sign & Portents. By all means, please post your future requests for units here. But I'd like to take your commitment to the game one step farther and open the discussion to include recommendations on literal stats that we can proactively present to Mongoose for potential use in future S&P articles. Suggestions should be civil and positive and constructive only. As such, I have started 4 separate threads on EvoCommand.com to discuss what exactly you'd like to see in the future S&P releases:

EFTF
http://forum.evocommand.com/viewtopic.php?t=1072&highlight=

MEA
http://forum.evocommand.com/viewtopic.php?t=1073&highlight=

PLA
http://forum.evocommand.com/viewtopic.php?t=1072&highlight=

USMC
http://forum.evocommand.com/viewtopic.php?t=1070&highlight=



You may now return to your regularly scheduled posting. :lol:

 

[Ben2]

Some but not all of them have been shown to the external playtesting group. In this months the Osprey and EFV have not been shown to the playtesting group I'm in (but could have been shown to someone else, I don't know). The LAV-AD and sniper team have been playtested with the external group.

I wonder if Mongoose are taking submissions for these card expansions.

 

[tiepilot1138]

Osprey - YIKES! The Osprey is a monster and a half. Is the armament really correct? I wouldn't think it would hold more than MGs. Especially if configured with the Transport option. I'm also not sure why a Size 2 model that holds 6-9 size 1 models only takes up the space of 4 Size 1 models. I hate to say it, but this unit REALLY needs to be reconsidered and fixed via errata.

Snipers - Am I missing something in the stats? There is no reason to take the M-40A3 over the M109 for the sniper as the upgrade is free.

EFV - Armor is a bit thick and the capacity is not 17. It would have been accurate and perfect for a fully maxed infantry squad unit. Unfortunately this is rather disappointing as well.

The pictures selected are fitting and it's goo to have new cards, but I am in the list of those whose expectations were not met.




As an aside are the units being released in S&P actually playtested as "real units". I'm curious to know exactly how many were in the queue prior to the pausing of the game's release.

The rational my buddy and I came up with in the difference between the M40 and the M109, is the possibility of the M40 being silenced. Note the card states that
"Stealthy: If this unit is within Cover and did not make any shooting attacks with the M109 or SCAR-L in the last turn, units beyond 20” may not draw Line of Sight to it."

We took that to mean that you CAN fire the M40 and still remain stealthy. Does anyone else see it that way?

 

[Paladin]

The rational my buddy and I came up with in the difference between the M40 and the M109, is the possibility of the M40 being silenced. Note the card states that
"Stealthy: If this unit is within Cover and did not make any shooting attacks with the M109 or SCAR-L in the last turn, units beyond 20” may not draw Line of Sight to it."

We took that to mean that you CAN fire the M40 and still remain stealthy. Does anyone else see it that way?

good call. Knew there had to be something. missed that in the first read.

 

[Ben2]

Now posted in all four Evo command future contents threads.

I was under the impression you do get to keep stealthy as well, perhaps someone will clarify it.

 

[Shadow4ce]

The rational my buddy and I came up with in the difference between the M40 and the M109, is the possibility of the M40 being silenced. Note the card states that
"Stealthy: If this unit is within Cover and did not make any shooting attacks with the M109 or SCAR-L in the last turn, units beyond 20” may not draw Line of Sight to it."

We took that to mean that you CAN fire the M40 and still remain stealthy. Does anyone else see it that way?

good call. Knew there had to be something. missed that in the first read.

Well, not so much silenced, as harder to pinpoint accoustically. The .50 cal is LOUD, and with it's flat tragectory and bullet moving over the speed of sound, it is pretty easy to locate. Not to mention how much dust it's muzzle-blast kicks up in dry environments. :wink:

The M-40 can fire sub-sonic ammunition and perhaps be silenced, but I've never seen a silencer on one myself.

The M-40, even without a silencer, is very hard to tell the direction the shot came from other than where the target was hit, as long as the Sniper doesn't go "Rambo" and fire as fast as possible without displacing to an alternate position every now and then. 8)

Unless I know I'm going to be dealing with vehicles, I'd take the M-40 every time.

 

[Pietia]

For BF:evo purposes it should be target 7+ (so .50 cal AP can damage it (and only the USMC have 50 cal anyway, everyone else with that damage stat is using a rapid fire cannon or chaingun) and kill 9+, possibly with the option to up it to 10+ for x points but lose amphibian option.
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If it is 14.5mm proof, it is for sure 12.7mm proof - 14.5mm has much higher penetration than 12.7mm, so I'd rather say 8+ target 10+ kill - like the Warrior.

EFV - Armor is a bit thick and the capacity is not 17. It would have been accurate and perfect for a fully maxed infantry squad unit. Unfortunately this is rather disappointing as well.

The initial requirement was 17. Still has not changed according to the Marines:
http://www.efv.usmc.mil/p_platform.asp
I guess that they want to be able to fit a full squad and an attached AT or MG team in there for amphibious landing.

 

[Rabidchild]

The .50 cal is LOUD, and with it's flat tragectory and bullet moving over the speed of sound, it is pretty easy to locate. Not to mention how much dust it's muzzle-blast kicks up in dry environments. :wink:

It's actually not the .50, it's the 25mm!

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

Osprey - YIKES! The Osprey is a monster and a half. Is the armament really correct? I wouldn't think it would hold more than MGs. Especially if configured with the Transport option.

The weapons HAVE to be a misprint - there's no mention of any weaposn other than the MG on the front of the card, plus there's no options to swap out JDAMS for cluster bombs like on the fighters. Also, there's no special rules for the ASRAAMs or bombs on the back of the card. Plus, 120 points for all that?

 

[Hiromoon]

The weapons HAVE to be a misprint - there's no mention of any weaposn other than the MG on the front of the card, plus there's no options to swap out JDAMS for cluster bombs like on the fighters. Also, there's no special rules for the ASRAAMs or bombs on the back of the card. Plus, 120 points for all that?

Watch, it'll have a "Robotech" option next, capable of launching what seems to be a million missiles at once.

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

see, i've got more then enough Robotech and Macross toys that are roughly in scale with BF:Evo that I could do that...

In fact, a friend was asking about ideas for doing Robotech mech fighting with evo tanks and infantry running around their feet only last week...

 

[Shadow4ce]

The .50 cal is LOUD, and with it's flat tragectory and bullet moving over the speed of sound, it is pretty easy to locate. Not to mention how much dust it's muzzle-blast kicks up in dry environments. :wink:

It's actually not the .50, it's the 25mm!

lol, I thought it said M107, not 109. Even more loud and obvious! But fun on trucks! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[shotgun-toting chipmunk]

Osprey - YIKES! The Osprey is a monster and a half. Is the armament really correct? I wouldn't think it would hold more than MGs. Especially if configured with the Transport option. I'm also not sure why a Size 2 model that holds 6-9 size 1 models only takes up the space of 4 Size 1 models. I hate to say it, but this unit REALLY needs to be reconsidered and fixed via errata.

A typo. Look in the rules, though, nothing on it carrying those weapons. No worries.

Snipers - Am I missing something in the stats? There is no reason to take the M-40A3 over the M109 for the sniper as the upgrade is free.

M40A3 can be used with Stealth, M109 can't.

EFV - Armor is a bit thick and the capacity is not 17. It would have been accurate and perfect for a fully maxed infantry squad unit. Unfortunately this is rather disappointing as well.

It should carry 13. Perhaps in the Evo timeline, requirements are changed for better armor at the cost of carrying the third fire team.

 

[Stitch_626]

Well Being Canadian, I would like to see CDN faction choices

as well as

LAV 3
some of the new Urban Patrol vehicles like the
RG-31 Nyala, Buffel , or Cassir
Bison Lav especially the mortar carrier

as for other weapons
AT-4 or equivalent

Javellin ATGW

mortar's in general

the MLRS

just to name a few