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I'm going to call a "no" on this.... here is my reasoning.
When the enemy moves his fighters into dogfight base contact, that is in the movement phase.
Escorts assign their anti-fighter dice just before anti-fighter fire is resolved; that is at the end of the movement phase. So all fighter movement is performed before AF dice are assigned.
Therefore, when the enemy moves into dogfight, your fighters don't have the AF trait yet. So the AF rule exception about fighters with the AF trait, does not apply, because when the enemy fighters move into contact, your fighters do not have the AF trait.
So the normal "can't use AF against fighters involved in a dogfight" rule applies.
That's my take on the RAW... I think the intent of the Escort rule probably would be "yes" though.
When the enemy moves his fighters into dogfight base contact, that is in the movement phase.
Escorts assign their anti-fighter dice just before anti-fighter fire is resolved; that is at the end of the movement phase. So all fighter movement is performed before AF dice are assigned.
Therefore, when the enemy moves into dogfight, your fighters don't have the AF trait yet. So the AF rule exception about fighters with the AF trait, does not apply, because when the enemy fighters move into contact, your fighters do not have the AF trait.
So the normal "can't use AF against fighters involved in a dogfight" rule applies.
That's my take on the RAW... I think the intent of the Escort rule probably would be "yes" though.
Foxmeister
Mongoose
Yes they can - it's in the ACTA FAQ.
Regards,
Dave
Regards,
Dave
Foxmeister
Mongoose
Burger said:Time to get technical - it says that Escorts can give their AF dice to fighters... but it doesn't say the fighters can use these AF dice against enemy fighters they are in a dogfight with...Foxmeister said:
Yes it does:
Rulebook P28.
Regards,
Dave
But when the enemy fighters move into contact (movement phase) your fighters do not have the AF trait... Escorts assign AF dice after the movement phase! So that esception to the "no firing at fighteers in a dogfight" does not apply, because your fighters are not "special" at that point in the movement phase.Foxmeister said:Burger said:Time to get technical - it says that Escorts can give their AF dice to fighters... but it doesn't say the fighters can use these AF dice against enemy fighters they are in a dogfight with...Foxmeister said:
Yes it does:
Rulebook P28.
Regards,
Dave
Foxmeister
Mongoose
Burger said:
Where is this stated? Certainly not in the description of the "Escort" trait. It says that you assign the trait (dice) before AF. Since the actual AF fire occurs at the end of the movement phase, using your definition would mean that the Escort trait would never work for anyone!
Regards,
Dave
Well I am assuming that "before" means "immediately before". If it means "at any point before" then I concede that the answer to the OP is "yes" - on the condition that you assign your Escort's AF dice before moving your fighters into dogfight (or before he moves his fighters into dogfight with yours).Foxmeister said:
No, the Escort trait says you assign AF dice before AF fire.Foxmeister said:
Foxmeister
Mongoose
Burger said:
Yes, but you said that Escorts assign AF dice *after* the movement phase! AF fire occurs at the *end* of the movement phase, but still in the movement phase. That is the point I was trying to make.
Regards,
Dave
Iain McGhee
Mongoose
Thought it was more like ship movement - fighter movement - assign AF-resolve AF - fighter fire + dogfight - ship fire which would allow fighters to have AF assigned before dogfights occured as long as they remained within 8" of the escort that donated the trait.
When this came up before, the way AF worked with fighters moving into a dogfight was that the AF fired as the enemy closed.
When this came up before, the way AF worked with fighters moving into a dogfight was that the AF fired as the enemy closed.
Locutus9956
Mongoose
Regardless I think were getting very very hair splitty and looking for a way to ignore what, for once seems to be a pretty clear ruling. I'd say personally it's fairly obvious that fighters that get AF dice assigned to them are intended to function identically to Volon fighters and be allowed to use their AF dice in self defence if they wish.
Frankly I'd say this could all be resolved much more easily if AF worked as it does in Full Thrust though (sorry to repeat myself but as with so many other rules, Full Thrust just does this one better than ACTA). In fact, though it IS improved over the original version, ACTA still handles fighters as a whole, very poorly in my oppinion.
Frankly I'd say this could all be resolved much more easily if AF worked as it does in Full Thrust though (sorry to repeat myself but as with so many other rules, Full Thrust just does this one better than ACTA). In fact, though it IS improved over the original version, ACTA still handles fighters as a whole, very poorly in my oppinion.
