Rogue Benefits

[Anonymous]

The Rogue career has Corsair as a benefit and yet Corsair does not appear either in the benefit descriptions or as one of the ships described in the later chapter.

 

[-Daniel-]

The Rogue career has Corsair as a benefit and yet Corsair does not appear either in the benefit descriptions or as one of the ships described in the later chapter.

That is because someone stole it....... Sorry I just had to. :mrgreen:

 

[DickNervous]

The Rogue career has Corsair as a benefit and yet Corsair does not appear either in the benefit descriptions or as one of the ships described in the later chapter.

That is because someone stole it....... Sorry I just had to. :mrgreen:

Well Daniel, if you aren't a father already, your are prepared. At least from the "dad joke" perspective. *sigh*

I pointed that out somewhere already though. Not only is the Corsair not in the benefits description, but there isn't one listed in the Common Spacecraft section.

 

[-Daniel-]

Well Daniel, if you aren't a father already, your are prepared. At least from the "dad joke" perspective. *sigh*

LOL. Two kids, one 18 year old girl and one 11 year old boy. Never thought of it as "Dad Jokes" but now that you say that, it does ring true. :mrgreen:

I pointed that out somewhere already though. Not only is the Corsair not in the benefits description, but there isn't one listed in the Common Spacecraft section.

Saw it and was glad to see they placed it on the list. Would not be shocked to see it show up in one of the next updated files.

 

[AndrewW]

Saw it and was glad to see they placed it on the list. Would not be shocked to see it show up in one of the next updated files.

It's a long list... No guarantee of seeing anything in particular but the absence has been noticed at least.

 

[-Daniel-]

Saw it and was glad to see they placed it on the list. Would not be shocked to see it show up in one of the next updated files.

It's a long list... No guarantee of seeing anything in particular but the absence has been noticed at least.

Sorry, yes I was not trying to make promises on Mongooses behalf. Just a that I knew it was on the list and I *suspected* it would be dealt with at some point.

 

[MongooseMatt]

I don't want a Corsair in the Core Rulebook (space, specialisation, etc).

What would everyone say if I made this 2D Ship Shares? Make it a fairly substantial benefit and potentially open up Rogues to get any ship...

 

[-Daniel-]

What would everyone say if I made this 2D Ship Shares? Make it a fairly substantial benefit and potentially open up Rogues to get any ship...

2D Ships Shares would be wonderful. It also reflects the fact a Rogue would have less of a "savings plan" and more of a "great score". :mrgreen:

 

[MongooseMatt]

That's what I was thinking

Now also thinking one of the lesser benefits should be 1D ship shares...

 

[DickNervous]

But the Rogue I just rolled up get Corsair 3x.....

I have few thoughts on that:

First, perhaps the "Corsair" benefit should only be for Rogue-Pirates. I mean, where is an Thief or Enforcer going to get their hands on a ship like that? For them, getting ship shares makes perfect sense.

Second, if you are going to replace the ship with shares, then you may need to up the amount. Here is why I think that....

Lab Ship = 136MCr
Yacht = 111MCr
Far Trader = 55MCr
Free Trader = 46MCr

If you get one of those as a benefit you get the equivalent of somewhere between 34MCr and 11.5MCr, or 34 - 12 Ship Shares. Giving the Rogue a top potential of 12 ships shares on a very lucky roll isn't close to being on par with any of the other ship benefits.

Finally, if you don't want the Corsair in the Core Rulebook, then perhaps you could put a different ship in there that would make sense for a Rogue to have, like the Smuggler or Jumpcusser from the Scoundrel book?

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

Remember that each Ship roll only gives youj 25%, not the full amount. So your range is more like 3-9 shares, so a 2D roll makes much more sense.

 

[-Daniel-]

Remember that each Ship roll only gives youj 25%, not the full amount. So your range is more like 3-9 shares, so a 2D roll makes much more sense.

He did break it into 25% of the value. At the top of the ship values, 25% of 136 is 34 and at the bottom, 25% of 46 is 11.5. thus his range of 34MCr and 11.5MCr, or 34 - 12 Ship Shares.

But having said that, I feel no real pull to say the Rogue has any kind of "right" to a ship. Many of the careers do not get ships. The idea the Rogue just has a max benefit of 12 million would just reflect their one big score. The ship does not have to be a benefit ever for any career really.

A Navy character doe snot get a gunship or the Marine dos not get a drop ship etc. I think it is just fine to leave the rogue at a larger number of ships shares. Much more than many other careers could get.

 

[CosmicGamer]

I mean, where is an Thief or Enforcer going to get their hands on a ship like that?

A thief like Saffron from Firefly?

if you don't want the Corsair in the Core Rulebook, then perhaps you could put a different ship in there that would make sense for a Rogue to have, like the Smuggler or Jumpcusser from the Scoundrel book?

I don't like the idea of having benefits that are not detailed in the core rules.

 

[-Daniel-]

I don't like the idea of having benefits that are not detailed in the core rules.

I agree, that is why I liked Mathew's idea of shifting the rogue benefit to a number of Ship Shares.

Daniel

 

[MongooseMatt]

I agree, that is why I liked Mathew's idea of shifting the rogue benefit to a number of Ship Shares.

I think it was a good idea too (don't think it was mine though!). Liked it so much, I have also changed their 2 Ship Shares option to 1D. Stopped short of changing 1 Ship Share to D3

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

OK, now to spread the pain... DO any other careers deserve a random number of Ship Shares like the Rogue?

What about Drifter?

What if the 7 Benefit was 1D Ship Shares? Again reflecting the randomness of the career.

Or is getting such a huge Benefit too much for these scruffy vagabonds?

Just asking...

 

[Reynard]

When part of the Pirates of Drinax adventure, my character had some pirate career under her belt before switching to engineer and received some ship shares as a pirate benefit since Aslans rogues receive ship shares towards any vessel rather than an actual ship. We already had the ship so I role played that her shares represented an equivalent value of cached ship weapons sorely needed.

One way for a pirate adventurer to play their ship benefit rather than always having a corsair would be the flexibility of acquiring a preferred ship that can be modified. Not all pirates have that top of the line beauty but run around in jumpcussing scouts and merchant vessels like ninjas. Maybe let them have, as suggested above, ship shares toward a ship of choice and the ability to modify the vessel with ship share value equivalents such as armor, weapons or better electronics.

Might be a bit complex but just a thought.