Robots of Charted Space

Garnfellow

Cosmic Mongoose
Sadly, I missed this Comstar book when it was available. I was wondering what details it had on pseudo-biological robots (or androids) in the Imperium. Or robots in the Solomani Confederation.

Anything not in CT Book 8?
 
Although most stuff that Martin did is good, for me I never bothered to buy some of his stuff that was ONLY sold on .pdf's. They always wined about not being worth selling printed materials, maybe that is why they failed as a company. Who knows why or where Martin is now, some big super secret and he disapeared, and the company just seemed to grind to a halt. Oh there are a number of the rank and file fans on here now, but when a company creates a product and ONLY offers it in .pdf format, you know for a fact that they are working with a shoe string budget and prone to fail and disapear like Dust in the Wind.

Penn
 
Bygoneyrs said:
Although most stuff that Martin did is good, for me I never bothered to buy some of his stuff that was ONLY sold on .pdf's. They always wined about not being worth selling printed materials, maybe that is why they failed as a company. Who knows why or where Martin is now, some big super secret and he disapeared, and the company just seemed to grind to a halt.
With such a considerate and socially adept fan base, it really is a mystery why any Traveller writer would just up and disappear from the community. The mind simply boggles at this enigma.
Bygoneyrs said:
but when a company creates a product and ONLY offers it in .pdf format, you know for a fact that they are working with a shoe string budget and prone to fail and disapear like Dust in the Wind.
Monte Cook -- and almost all of the other d20 publishers -- say hi!
 
Bygoneyrs said:
Although most stuff that Martin did is good, for me I never bothered to buy some of his stuff that was ONLY sold on .pdf's. They always wined about not being worth selling printed materials, maybe that is why they failed as a company. Who knows why or where Martin is now, some big super secret and he disapeared, and the company just seemed to grind to a halt. Oh there are a number of the rank and file fans on here now, but when a company creates a product and ONLY offers it in .pdf format, you know for a fact that they are working with a shoe string budget and prone to fail and disapear like Dust in the Wind.

Penn

Penn, Avenger did not FAIL as a company. Martin decided to stop publishing Traveller stuff via his own company because he could make more money writing non-Traveller stuff.

Avenger still has several products that are being polished up and I think they are going to be released through Flaming Cobra rather than via Avenger directly.
 
I try to stay away from the Traveller community these days. Doesn't matter why, but the fact that my first skim of the boards in a while throws up untruths about Avenger might be a clue.

Since I'm passing, here's some facts.

Avenger did not fail.

We were actually doing well and getting better when I decided to cease publishing Traveller and terminate my involvement with the entire brand. My reasons for this were posted in some detail on the Avenger boards.

We were deliberately sabotaged on two occasions by former associates of mine, and overcame both crises. We were rocked by the license sunset (did you know that Marc Miller never informed us that our license would be sunsetting? We found out late, and through rumours, which cost us even more than otherwise would be the case) but we rebuilt again.

I had years of work and a fair bit of time and money invested in both Traveller and Avenger. I chose to shut it all down and walk away, even though Mongoose wanted me to do loads of books for them and Avenger was getting back on top depsite the latest problems thrown our way.

With all that investment just beginning to pay back, I made the decision to close it all down. Why would I do this?

A lot of lies and, let's be nice and say 'erroneous specualtions', have been posted over the years about me and about Avenger, and it would be nice to think that folks might pause before repeating rumours or speculating on my reasons for all of this. The actual situation is complex (and involved nothing but honourable conduct on the part of Mongoose), but as briefly as possible it looks like this:

It is indeed partly because I can make a lot more money (writing is my job) doing other things, and partly because it became impossible for Avenger to operate as a Traveller publisher. This was due to the internal politics of the Traveller community, notably Marc Miller's circle of friends and close associates.

I write for a living, and I cannot afford to spend 3 months working on a book only for it to be delayed, possibly indefinitely, at the approvals stage, or for revisions to be required because someone who should not be in the loop has an agenda and is close enough to have Marc's ear. Or because Marc Miller simply forgot that I'd asked the same question four or five times without getting an answer.

Marc's what he is, and I'm what I am. His way of working is simply not compatible with what I as a professional writer require. I had a choice between working with publishers that pay 10 times what Traveller could ever manage and who don't allow outsiders to throw spanners into the works, or continuing to plough my way through the morass of Traveller internal politics.

I wrote Traveller because it was fun, although it didn't pay that well. Traveller is no longer fun, and working on it involves factors that can prevent my work paying at all. I can't afford that.

So I had to get out. I think it is fair to say that Avenger did not fail, it was killed by Marc Miller's circle of friends. Most of them never intended to do the harm they did, though there is an obvious exception to that. Certain actions were taken with, if not malicious intent, then in the knowledge that they would result in damage to Avenger and to my reputation. But this isn't the place for that particular can of worms.

I'll finish by saying that Mongoose always treated me well, and that although I turned down several offers of further Traveller work for them, I'd still be happy to work with Mongoose in another area... or perhaps even Traveller if they can ensure that the project is as simple (in terms of outside interference) to work on as my books for mainstream publishers.

But I can't do Traveller any more because, despite everything we did manage to overcome, we can't do anything about the way Marc chooses to work, and who he associates with. I don't know how Mongoose manages but after years of wasting my time I came to realise that trying to work with Marc is like banging your head on a wall. It's lovely when you stop.

So I did.
 
Well as a relative newcomer to Traveller, all I can say is that the above is really a shame. MJD's writing has consistently been among the best in the business and Traveller is a lesser game and setting for driving him away. I do hope that Mongoose can entice you to write more Traveller stuff for them, because I'll definitely buy it!
 
MJD - I was shocked to read a negative post on the Avenger brand and didn't know you had left Traveller. It's a major loss for Traveller. Your work for Traveller (Avenger, QLI and Mongoose) is the best of Traveller in my book.

I'm sorry to see you leave, but go and make some money.

Edit: I tried to fight the urge to write this; but what the hell, I'm entitled to my opinion and I'm pissed. It seems to me that Marc Miller and a small group of small minded folks have become Traveller's worst enemy. There are some seriously Toxic people that call themselves fans of Traveller, it's what drove me away from "that other Traveller forum". Mongoose seems to be steering through these choppy waters pretty well - which increases my respect for Mongoose.
 
AKAmra said:
Edit: I tried to fight the urge to write this; but what the hell, I'm entitled to my opinion and I'm pissed. It seems to me that Marc Miller and a small group of small minded folks have become Traveller's worst enemy. There are some seriously Toxic people that call themselves fans of Traveller, it's what drove me away from "that other Traveller forum". Mongoose seems to be steering through these choppy waters pretty well - which increases my respect for Mongoose.

You're not the only one. This is my sentiment exactly, or in WoW terms, QFT.
 
Sadly, you will probably find that it is the SAME people (or some of them anyway) the drove you from the Other Forum and that are part of Marc's inner circle.

I have also abandoned the Other Forum for similar reasons to your own.
 
Thanks to the people who said positive things.

There is a posisble update..

I personally can't touc Traveller (unless someone offers me decent money and makes it really easy, ie removes the political problems from the process). However, some of the Avenger crew are still wanting to write Traveller and I have given them the go-ahead.

I personally might continue to do 'game stuff' in other areas if it seems viable.
 
Martin...my comment about Avenger was made not for the Traveller stuff, I wanted to see ..."YOUR Own System of Far Avalon"...! I so look forward to that, I really wanted that whole line to see the light of day and become what it should have been as a ..."PRINTED" fantastic system and campaign setting. I read alot of what you wrote and it was "AWESOME". What happen to that stuff? To heck with the Traveller stuff (saying this as a 32+ yr collector and fan), you planned line was simply AWESOME!!! Please don't let it drop, that should see light. I'm upset that your dropping that, not the Traveller stuff. Your a great writer, and those clowns that put you to the screws and ripped you off of money are Major Butt heads and EVERYONE knows who they are. As to Marc and his "in-Action" at times, I am at a total loss for words.

Anyway what every you do, I do wish you well and if something is no longer fun to do, then maybe it is time to set that asside. Far Avalon should see the light of day though, and I hope someday you would consider publishing your works.

Penn
 
And to encourage me to do this you take cheap shots about 'whining' and spread untruths about Avenger 'failing'.

Awesome set of people skills you got there.

That kind of thing is one reason why Traveller isn't fun any more.
 
Hey Martin, knock the "chip" off your shoulder and stop it yourself...

Actually I was fed up the way you "shut down" you site, you not finishing the game, and in general the way you have handled a few things. I think this is the first time you have "ever" voiced why you dropped out of sight?

Also your handling of matters isn't any better...

Penn
 
Bygoneyrs said:
Hey Martin, knock the "chip" off your shoulder and stop it yourself...

Actually I was fed up the way you "shut down" you site, you not finishing the game, and in general the way you have handled a few things. I think this is the first time you have "ever" voiced why you dropped out of sight?

Also your handling of matters isn't any better...

Penn

REALLY? REALLY?! Martin expressed his reasons for leaving Traveller succinctly, sincerely, and clearly, and this is what you hand him? Oh please.

The man is fed up with the way a small, vocal, and cancerous faction in Traveller fandom has treated him and decided to cut his losses both to preserve his sanity and his livelihood. He needed time to let the wounds heal and cool off so if and when he chose to disclose why he left, he could do so without an overwhelming tsunami of rancor and venom.

Then you come along and hand him a bunch of self-entitlement and attitude. How mature of you. Here's a letter you might want to read and wrap your head around: http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html

Just replace George R.R. Martin's name with Martin's. :evil:

It's no wonder he doesn't want anything to do with the fanbase for Traveller.

Dale
 
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