Real world passenger travel with a freighter

[F33D]

Here's a pic of a double occupancy passenger stateroom on global freighter.

Here's the link to the article.

And, a better site: http://www.freightervoyages.eu/Cabins.htm

 

[Jak Nazryth]

Several of these look like they could almost be lifted right off a cannon deck plan.
Probably some of the best examples of what a Traveller stateroom might look like using a modern example. Too bad passenger can't stretch their legs and take a stroll on the hull of a starship during jump like they can on modern ships. Well... I guess they could, but it would be a very short walk. 8)

 

[F33D]

Several of these look like they could almost be lifted right off a cannon deck plan.
Probably some of the best examples of what a Traveller stateroom might look like using a modern example. Too bad passenger can't stretch their legs and take a stroll on the hull of a starship during jump like they can on modern ships. Well... I guess they could, but it would be a very short walk. 8)

You're right. I wonder if the original designers of those had taken a look at these types of cabins. I took a look at some of the large container ships and they have indoor pools!

 

[phavoc]

I can certainly see this for passengers. But I'm betting crew accommodations would put one bunk over the other to maximize the space utilization. I was looking for some diagrams for the new Gerald Ford class carrier. They are doing a lot to the berthing compartments. You can read more here:

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/07/navy-gender-neutral-ford-layout-nixes-urinals-070912w/

According to the article, "Specifically, enlisted sailors will be spread among 86 different berthing spaces. Of those, 83 will hold between 20 and 83 sailors; the remaining three will hold 19 or fewer. In comparison, Nimitz-class carriers had 33 spaces with 19 or fewer sailors and three with more than 200 sailors.

An exact layout of every berthing space was not available. But a Ford floor plan for a 36-sailor living area shows three-high stacks of racks, one locker per person plus two dirty clothes lockers and smaller lockers for sailors who do not have storage space underneath their mattress. Directly connected to the berthing areas are three toilets, three sinks and two showers."

And they mention that berthing areas will get their own heads, instead of shared ones - "Giving every berthing area a connected toilet and shower — another carrier first — means sailors won’t have to get dressed if they wake up in the middle of the night to use the head"

 

[F33D]

I can certainly see this for passengers. But I'm betting crew accommodations would put one bunk over the other to maximize the space utilization. I was looking for some diagrams for the new Gerald Ford class carrier. They are doing a lot to the berthing compartments. You can read more here:

Yes, they do the stacking for the deck hand level crew. Just like for Cruise ship crew.

 

[Captain Jonah]

Good find and excellent research there.

Judging by the bed sizes the double and single cabins at p://www.freightervoyages.eu/Cabins.htm are fairly close to 10 feet or 3m square. The double cabins bedroom is 2 deck plan squares by 2, the private lounge looks about the same though we cannot see where the wall behind the camera is but there should be ample room for a fresher in there. This takes 4Dtons of rooms leaving up to 4Dtons for common areas.

The single cabin looks to be a bit smaller than 10 feet/3m wide but again we do not know where the wall is behind the camera. I would think that if there is a shared fresher between each pair of single cabins to make up the foot print of a pair of 2Dton rooms they would be comfortable. Plus that leaves 4Dtons of common area.

Looking at rooms like this and considering the impact of tech advances like memory plastics, the extra space above or below allowing for lift up or drop down furniture etc these areas become perfectly liveable.

Throw in holo walls for the common areas and you should be happy here for a week or two.
In terms of getting out for a walk, well that is more of a problem but any well designed passenger ship will have a gym area hidden under the floor or walls somewhere to use up that excess energy.

Oddly I have been playing with 2300 deck plans, several of which have habitat wheels of 400+ m circ. By making the staterooms 2 by 2 and adding a lot of recreation spaces there is plenty of open space and with a 400m wheel you can keep walking or jogging for ever

 

[SSWarlock]

Awesome link! I didn't know such existed. Thank you for posting it.

 

[CosmicGamer]

And they mention that berthing areas will get their own heads, instead of shared ones - "Giving every berthing area a connected toilet and shower — another carrier first — means sailors won’t have to get dressed if they wake up in the middle of the night to use the head"

From my experience all the berthing areas did have their own head or one across a passageway or a few steps away for the smaller berthing areas. We never worried about getting dressed to use the head.

 

[F33D]

The single cabin looks to be a bit smaller than 10 feet/3m wide but again we do not know where the wall is behind the camera. I would think that if there is a shared fresher between each pair of single cabins

From one of the descriptions, passenger cabins have individual "freshers". I think it is within the 10X10 space though. Probably much like in Trav deckplan drawings.

 

[phavoc]

And they mention that berthing areas will get their own heads, instead of shared ones - "Giving every berthing area a connected toilet and shower — another carrier first — means sailors won’t have to get dressed if they wake up in the middle of the night to use the head"

From my experience all the berthing areas did have their own head or one across a passageway or a few steps away for the smaller berthing areas. We never worried about getting dressed to use the head.

That was in reference to being on a carrier. I'm assuming there was a general prohibition about wandering around in your boxers or bra/panties so as to avoid any sort of sexual harassment issue.

When I was in the Army and we had mixed troops around, you had to cover up more to head to the latrine (we slept in big open bays and had a building for all the toilets/showers). What type of ship were you on? DD? Sub? Cruiser?

 

[CosmicGamer]

From my experience all the berthing areas did have their own head or one across a passageway or a few steps away for the smaller berthing areas. We never worried about getting dressed to use the head.

That was in reference to being on a carrier. I'm assuming there was a general prohibition about wandering around in your boxers or bra/panties so as to avoid any sort of sexual harassment issue.

When I was in the Army and we had mixed troops around, you had to cover up more to head to the latrine (we slept in big open bays and had a building for all the toilets/showers). What type of ship were you on? DD? Sub? Cruiser?

Carrier back when it was men only. Of course no "wandering around" but no issue just going to the head. Sometimes showers were more than a handful of steps from the berthing but you just threw your towel around your waist. Also the hatches to the berthing areas were typically left open because constant dogging and undogging to open and close it was more disturbing to sleep than the sounds of people walking in the passageway. You're berthing with dozens to hundreds of guys, what difference does it make if a few more walk by and see you.