Mongoose Pete said:First off, I apologise if you found my tone arrogant. I in no way intended to come across so. I was trying to indicate that I found it dismaying and frustrating that the title was implicitly negative. Using the word 'Rant' doesn't confer good impressions and I honestly felt it was unduly harsh.
SIZ is indeed a primary characteristic. However, neither the author, the playtesters or the editor considered a SIZ to Mass relationship table was required. It probably didn't even cross their minds, I freely admit I never thought of it.ryhopewood said:Secondly, I don't consider the lack of a SIZ table as being "superfluous" and neither did the designers for the original RQ3 or the BRP book. It is a primary characteristic, which although undoubtedly difficult to quantify in terms of size and shape, has been firmly pinned to mass by the MRQ2 core rules.
Now if we'd left out some vital characteristics entirely, or the trait table, or something similar, then of course you'd be completely justified to rant about it. But over a table that didn't exist in the previous edition and we didn't know was of vital importance to some of the customers? Isn't that a little unfair?
As I said, I am sorry if you interpreted my tone as arrogance. It was not intended so.Thirdly, I found your overall tone rather arrogant. Please remember it is us the customers that buy these products that ultimately pay your wages and in these stark economic times finding £25 per book is not always easy. If you want to do it as a labour of love then fine but don't charge me £25 a pop for it.
Secondly, neither Loz nor I have any control over the marketing, prices etc of Mongoose products. We are just the writers. It isn't easy to produce 128 pages of quality content every month and we both have to use up the majority of our free time to meet deadlines. I'm sorry if you are offended, but can't you see that the thread title could also be seen as rather offensive and disheartening to us?
Please don't boycott the company just because I have managed to upset you. I was merely stating a personal opinion, just as you stated yours. The thread is still open and you can continue to express your views as you will.I have heavily supported Mongoose in the past from the first Quintessential series, through all the Conan RPG books, and quite a few of the RQ books. Your ill-considered response has escalated a minor gripe to a point where I will no longer be buying your products.
You couldn't be further from the truth, I do care. I am saddened that you managed to misinterpret me to such a degree. I was not trying to be sarcastic or arrogant. I merely seeking some consideration and trying to explain some of the difficulties of meeting oft-times belated customer expectations.However I doubt that you really care from your lofty high tower.
Thanks for the response. Bulletin boards and e-mails aren't the best form of communication are they? I'm sorry if I upset anyone and I do recognise that I was a bit of a ****. It was not really my intention to do that but I was trying to highlight my exasperation at an issue that was important to me.
Maybe I should explain a little more about my "hang-up" with SIZ / mass. My recent background has been in GURPS and HERO System where I enjoy tinkering within a logical framework. However both those systems are also time consuming on the GM, time that I no longer have with a couple of kids to entertain. I have therefore been looking for an easier system and BRP / MRQ2 seems to fit the bill (I've played a lot of CoC over the past thirty years). In converting monsters over from other systems such as D20, I was looking at a reasonable gauge for SIZ to comparative properties. I accept that this is probably a minority view, one that requires my own fix, so I'm going to go with GoingDown's table as it seems as good a fit as any.
I probably will keep buying RQ books