Psi Corp points splitting

[tneva82]

The "best of the best" ruling states that the crews are picked from the best available, and that telepathic messaging keeps them under control and subservient. Why does this ruling not extend to EA ships that have been requisitioned?

Do the EA ships get complete crew change then? Just ships with no crew included? If not then how on earth crew becomes best of the best and suddenly become worse once they leave the psi-corp fleet...

 

[TenaciousB]

Logic...How is EA ships which have been commanded to be part of the task force gain sudden CQ boost?

I'll point you to the wording of the Best of the Best rule in your fleet book - this will explain:

"The Psi-Corps has access to highly trained crew, and by using telepathic messaging, can keep them operating at peak efficiency. All ships in a Psi-Corps fleet gain a +1 bonus to their Crew Quality scores, to a maximum of 6"

Absolutely word for word, and it specifically states All ships. Not Psi-Corps ships. Not some ships. But All ships, which is the point people are trying to make.

Its very interesting to see that 2 different playtesters had 2 different interpretations of the same rule.

 

[Da Boss]

maybe the telepaths ensure they operate more efficiently

 

[katadder]

not that it matters cos its FAQ'd that the other EA ships dont cos they are not the best of the best, those are already crewing psi-corps ships.

other examples in there to back this up - under earthforce aquisition for campaigns:

in theory, the Psi Corps could field ships bought from the Earth Alliance with nothing from the Psi Corps fleet if the scenario was at Patrol level.

this to me states that when talking about the psi corps fleet it applys to the ships brought from their fleet lists, not from allies and further backs up the no CQ increase to EA ships.

 

[Voronesh]

I guess we all know that the Psi Corps is unfortunately back to ISA status.

But there is enough fluff reason and wording within the current PRINTED rulebook, to make it seem different.

Psi Corps only tries to get the "best of the best" requisitioned for their maneuvers. So no standard raiderhunter tasked Omegas.

 

[sidewinder]

Yeah, I'll be using the rule in the book unless my oppenent has read the FAQ, which most people I know dont, and I wont be volunteering any info. The difference here is that Psi Corp asks for the best within its own fleet(more or less) Where as the ISA is asking other governments for ships. Do you think the Russians are gonna loan us their best ship and crew? No. But if Delta Force askes the navy for the best they will probably get what they want.

 

[Ripple]

Any day now we'll all be house ruling enough stuff to simply call it a new game and move on.

Ripple

 

[katadder]

Yeah, I'll be using the rule in the book unless my oppenent has read the FAQ, which most people I know dont, and I wont be volunteering any info. The difference here is that Psi Corp asks for the best within its own fleet(more or less) Where as the ISA is asking other governments for ships. Do you think the Russians are gonna loan us their best ship and crew? No. But if Delta Force askes the navy for the best they will probably get what they want.

nothing like a bit of cheating to improve your opponents day. like i said i gave you an example of the psi corp fleet term being used to vover any ship brought from that ship list.

 

[TenaciousB]

not that it matters cos its FAQ'd that the other EA ships dont cos they are not the best of the best, those are already crewing psi-corps ships.

other examples in there to back this up - under earthforce aquisition for campaigns:

in theory, the Psi Corps could field ships bought from the Earth Alliance with nothing from the Psi Corps fleet if the scenario was at Patrol level.

this to me states that when talking about the psi corps fleet it applys to the ships brought from their fleet lists, not from allies and further backs up the no CQ increase to EA ships.

Unfortunately, this doesn't really back up your argument at all, seeing as the Best of the Best rule clearly states that All ships in a Psi-Corps fleet gain a +1 bonus to CQ, regardless of what the FAQ states. All ships should mean All ships.

 

[katadder]

other examples in there to back this up - under earthforce aquisition for campaigns:

in theory, the Psi Corps could field ships bought from the Earth Alliance with nothing from the Psi Corps fleet if the scenario was at Patrol level.

this to me states that when talking about the psi corps fleet it applys to the ships brought from their fleet lists, not from allies and further backs up the no CQ increase to EA ships.

talking about psi-corps fleet there shows that it means the ships in the fleetlist but mentions it as psi-corps fleet. which does back up what I am saying. besides the fact I am also backed up by the official FAQ.

 

[TenaciousB]

other examples in there to back this up - under earthforce aquisition for campaigns:

in theory, the Psi Corps could field ships bought from the Earth Alliance with nothing from the Psi Corps fleet if the scenario was at Patrol level.

this to me states that when talking about the psi corps fleet it applys to the ships brought from their fleet lists, not from allies and further backs up the no CQ increase to EA ships.

talking about psi-corps fleet there shows that it means the ships in the fleetlist but mentions it as psi-corps fleet. which does back up what I am saying. besides the fact I am also backed up by the official FAQ.

Where does it mention anything about CQ bonuses in your point??

Anyway, the FAQ can be changed - it's already been amended for the Vree, so a precedent has been set.

 

[nekomata fuyu]

Just because they've made a mistake in one section doesn't mean that they've made the same mistake in all areas...

You know, these arguments wouldn't have a leg to stand on if someone would just suck it up and say "Yes we let some errors slip through, and yes this is an official errata". The only reason people have enough room to say that they're ignoring the FAQ is because a FAQ implies that it contains only clarifications, and not rule errata.

 

[katadder]

other examples in there to back this up - under earthforce aquisition for campaigns:



this to me states that when talking about the psi corps fleet it applys to the ships brought from their fleet lists, not from allies and further backs up the no CQ increase to EA ships.

talking about psi-corps fleet there shows that it means the ships in the fleetlist but mentions it as psi-corps fleet. which does back up what I am saying. besides the fact I am also backed up by the official FAQ.

Where does it mention anything about CQ bonuses in your point??

Anyway, the FAQ can be changed - it's already been amended for the Vree, so a precedent has been set.

it doesnt say anything about CQs, what it says is that in a psi-corp fleets in a campaign you can take ships from the EA without any ships from the psi corps fleet which means when they state psi-corps fleet they mean the psi-corps fleet list which would also apply in the best of the best rule due to same terms in special rules for same fleet.

 

[Burger]

katadder and TB ar both right. It's clearly another case of inadequate accuracy and consistency in wording. "Fleet" is used to mean two different things in different places.

 

[sidewinder]

What else is new.

 

[Voronesh]

Yep and its basically the Drakh Aft beam case all over again. Although we already got a new 2e case for that. Gonna call it the Gaim Photon Bomb case ^^.

 

[nekomata fuyu]

The problem is, you can't reliably take an error in one rule (such as saying fleet when they mean fleet list in the Earthforce Requisition rule), and apply it to all other instances of that term (such as the reference to fleet in the Best of the Best rule). All it shows is that the writers can make that kind of screw up, not that they will always make that kind of screw up.
The only good evidence that they meant Psi Corps ships is the errata. Now, if only they would just call it that