Psi Corp points splitting

[sidewinder]

Can someone explain that to me. If you have 5 battle you can spend 2 battle on other EA ships, fine. but can you break the points down? What if you are playing a 1 ARM game?

 

[Burger]

You can break the points down, yes. So if you're playing 5 Battle, you could buy 3 Hyperions and 2 Chronos as your allies if you like.

As for 1pt Armageddon, well technically you can't take any allies. The rules say you can take either 0 or 2 FAPs of allies. You can't take 2 FAPs because you only have 1; therefore you must take 0.

 

[nekomata fuyu]

If anyone was to start trying to force me into taking all or nothing for my EA allowance due to that wording, I would very quickly point out that by the letter of the rules all ships in a Psi Corps fleet gain the +1 to crew quality, and promptly take the full EA allowance (assuming that it's a 2+ point battle - a 1 point battle strikes me as a little too extreme anyway).

 

[Burger]

Yep you're right, all ships in a Psi Corps fleet get +1 CQ, no arguement from me there!

a 1 point battle strikes me as a little too extreme anyway).

1 point Armageddon really works for a tournament. Seriously it sounds weird at first but give it a try sometime. The FAP splits negate the effect of swarm fleets - although it worked better with the Armageddon FAP splitting than 2e.

 

[Harry Lonsdale]

1 point Armageddon really works for a tournament. Seriously it sounds weird at first but give it a try sometime. The FAP splits negate the effect of swarm fleets - although it worked better with the Armageddon FAP splitting than 2e.

How would you work out a 1-pt Arm fleet for a race that depends largely on low priority level ships (the Drazi, for instance)? It seems that it would be more difficult for them than something like a 2-pt War would be, especially with the new splitting rules.

 

[Burger]

It is very hard to penalize people who use swarms of the more powerful skirmish ships in order to gain an advantage, and those whose fleets rely on that (such as Drazi). 1pt Armageddon does allow you to do it, you just get less than you would at 5pt Raid.

Yes the new splitting rules suck IMO. We'll be house-ruling back to Armageddon splits. It just works nicer.

 

[lastbesthope]

Yep you're right, all ships in a Psi Corps fleet get +1 CQ, no arguement from me there!

So would you give non ISA ships the 1 CQ bonus if they were chosen as Allied ships?

LBH

 

[nekomata fuyu]

Yep you're right, all ships in a Psi Corps fleet get +1 CQ, no arguement from me there!

So would you give non ISA ships the 1 CQ bonus if they were chosen as Allied ships?

LBH

It depends strongly on the wording and attitude of my opponent.
If it is worded as "All ships in an ISA fleet gain a +1 bonus to their crew quality." in the same way as for the Psi Corps, the rule as written would grant the bonus. If I was playing against an ass who tried to use a rule's wording to break the intent of the rule (as with forcing you to take all or nothing of your allies allocation), I would then feel happy to claim the CQ bonus for all ships in an ISA fleet.
It's not really even a rule where the intent to only apply to Psi Corps ships is obvious. I'm just accepting that that is the intent because it's what is understood to be the intent by the community at large.

 

[Spideredd]

Yep you're right, all ships in a Psi Corps fleet get +1 CQ, no arguement from me there!

So would you give non ISA ships the 1 CQ bonus if they were chosen as Allied ships?

LBH

It depends strongly on the wording and attitude of my opponent.

:lol: It does on most matters. :lol:

 

[tealzooka]

ISA Not EA so how does PSI corp get them in their fleet? (Ranger is on all ISA ships, vs all ships in PSI Corp Fleet gaining a +1)

 

[Triggy]

Yep you're right, all ships in a Psi Corps fleet get +1 CQ, no arguement from me there!

So would you give non ISA ships the 1 CQ bonus if they were chosen as Allied ships?

LBH

It depends strongly on the wording and attitude of my opponent.
If it is worded as "All ships in an ISA fleet gain a +1 bonus to their crew quality." in the same way as for the Psi Corps, the rule as written would grant the bonus. If I was playing against an ass who tried to use a rule's wording to break the intent of the rule (as with forcing you to take all or nothing of your allies allocation), I would then feel happy to claim the CQ bonus for all ships in an ISA fleet.
It's not really even a rule where the intent to only apply to Psi Corps ships is obvious. I'm just accepting that that is the intent because it's what is understood to be the intent by the community at large.

You're calling this hypothetical person an ass but where do you draw the line? If they wanted to take a Crusade fleet but with a single Shadowcloak as a scout would that be acceptable to you? How about an all-Psi Corps fleet with a single Badger Starfury wing?

Just to make the point that it's not so simple as what you are saying players should do. The 2 FAP limit is there for a reason to stop fleets picking and choosing individual elements and to ensure it's not just an EA fleet with a couple of Psi Corps allies.

 

[Lord David the Denied]

An EA fleet with Psi Corps allies should be allowed, though. Perhaps only at 1FAP of Psi Corps units, rather than the 2FAP allowance for EA allies.

 

[nekomata fuyu]

You're calling this hypothetical person an ass but where do you draw the line? If they wanted to take a Crusade fleet but with a single Shadowcloak as a scout would that be acceptable to you? How about an all-Psi Corps fleet with a single Badger Starfury wing?

Just to make the point that it's not so simple as what you are saying players should do. The 2 FAP limit is there for a reason to stop fleets picking and choosing individual elements and to ensure it's not just an EA fleet with a couple of Psi Corps allies.

I don't know where you're getting the idea of the fleet being mainly EA ships. If anything, being able to spend less than the full 2 FAPs means that you're fleet can be more focused towards Psi Corps, and less focused towards EA. Some people however are insistent that you can only ever spend 0 or 2 FAPs on EA ships, with nothing in between - something I very much doubt is the intent of the rules.

 

[Voronesh]

Well if you have 3 FAPs available, but want to take EA ships, and someone forces you to pick the full 2 youre basically forced to make a EA fleet with Psicorps support, instead of the other way around.

I guess the rules are just missing an "up to".....

 

[Burger]

Yep you're right, all ships in a Psi Corps fleet get +1 CQ, no arguement from me there!

So would you give non ISA ships the 1 CQ bonus if they were chosen as Allied ships?

No. The wording on the ISA rule is "all ISA ships". So Allies are not included, only the actual ISA ships. The wording on Psi Corps is "all ships int eh Psi Corps fleet". So their allies do get the bonus because they are in the same fleet.

 

[Spideredd]

Yep you're right, all ships in a Psi Corps fleet get +1 CQ, no arguement from me there!

So would you give non ISA ships the 1 CQ bonus if they were chosen as Allied ships?

No. The wording on the ISA rule is "all ISA ships". So Allies are not included, only the actual ISA ships. The wording on Psi Corps is "all ships int eh Psi Corps fleet". So their allies do get the bonus because they are in the same fleet.

2 points of EA at +1 CQ?
The Corps is Mother, The Corps is Father

 

[Ripple]

Sadly ther is even a way to fluff that off. Rangers can't make others better except through training over time. Telepaths, well, their not a gentle bunch...they just take over the minds as needed, or at the very least they link all the ship captains so there is never any confusion in the fleet.

Ripple

- not that I agree it should be that way, I have no opinion yet, but the whole 0 or 2 thing is dumb.

 

[Triggy]

You're calling this hypothetical person an ass but where do you draw the line? If they wanted to take a Crusade fleet but with a single Shadowcloak as a scout would that be acceptable to you? How about an all-Psi Corps fleet with a single Badger Starfury wing?

Just to make the point that it's not so simple as what you are saying players should do. The 2 FAP limit is there for a reason to stop fleets picking and choosing individual elements and to ensure it's not just an EA fleet with a couple of Psi Corps allies.

I don't know where you're getting the idea of the fleet being mainly EA ships. If anything, being able to spend less than the full 2 FAPs means that you're fleet can be more focused towards Psi Corps, and less focused towards EA. Some people however are insistent that you can only ever spend 0 or 2 FAPs on EA ships, with nothing in between - something I very much doubt is the intent of the rules.

Yeah, the intention is clearly to allow 0, 1 or 2 FAPs in a fleet as requisitioned ships.

 

[lastbesthope]

Yep you're right, all ships in a Psi Corps fleet get +1 CQ, no arguement from me there!

So would you give non ISA ships the 1 CQ bonus if they were chosen as Allied ships?

No. The wording on the ISA rule is "all ISA ships". So Allies are not included, only the actual ISA ships. The wording on Psi Corps is "all ships int eh Psi Corps fleet". So their allies do get the bonus because they are in the same fleet.

Fair enough Burger, I have yet to read the rules and fleet lists in a proper level of detail, and only 12 days till the tourney too....

LBH

 

[tneva82]

Fair enough Burger, I have yet to read the rules and fleet lists in a proper level of detail, and only 12 days till the tourney too....

LBH

Well the new FAQ made issue moot point. No +1CQ bonus for allied ships for anybody.