IanBruntlett
Emperor Mongoose
Just finished watching yesterday's Primeval on my netbook via http://www.itv.com. It was a re-run of the last season's episode so if you're a regular viewer, you can watch it next Saturday without missing anything.
Primeval returns
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Captain Jonah
Mongoose
There is a Canadian based series coming along at some point plus the next UK season is, I think, next year.
Its good entertainment though the science is a little bit wobbly :lol: , someone should explain the grandfather paradox and the Multiple Timelines / Divergence Point theory to them :wink:
Its good entertainment though the science is a little bit wobbly :lol: , someone should explain the grandfather paradox and the Multiple Timelines / Divergence Point theory to them :wink:
Captain Jonah
Mongoose
Well I don't expect science to make sense in TV/Film Sci Fi. One day I may be pleasantly surprised. :roll:
Wonder how they are going to cover up the events at the end of last season. After all part of the job (well most of the job since the teams efforts to understand and stop the anomalies wasn't working or even being actioned that much) was to cover up the dinosaurs.
Having them erupt all over the country is going to be a bit hard to explain away :lol:
Still its nice to have the program back, gets me nostalgic. I may dig out the boxed sets and have a series watch starting from the beginning.
Wonder how they are going to cover up the events at the end of last season. After all part of the job (well most of the job since the teams efforts to understand and stop the anomalies wasn't working or even being actioned that much) was to cover up the dinosaurs.
Having them erupt all over the country is going to be a bit hard to explain away :lol:
Still its nice to have the program back, gets me nostalgic. I may dig out the boxed sets and have a series watch starting from the beginning.
AndrewW
Emperor Mongoose
Captain Jonah said:
Was more then just the country... They don't always explain the cover ups though, mammoth appearing in the middle of a major road for example...
Captain Jonah said:
Aye, tis a good thing. Been watching it since it originally aired myself (or at least originally aired on BBCA).
Da Boss said:
It's using a variant of the Doctor Who system. Full colour, but it's only covering seasons 1-3 (the Cutter years). We'll be doing a Season 4-5 supplement later on. That said, it's also got a lot of material for coming up with your own variants on the Time Travel + Conspiracies + Dinosaurs genre.
Captain Jonah
Mongoose
Well the mammoth was covered up as an escaped Elephant which is sort of possible.
The T-Rex cousin running through the shopping centre and eating people in public is a bit harder to explain away :lol:
Yes the conspiracies. Not the Helen Cutter went mad and tried to kill off the human race (enter huge paradox mode) so much as the fact that everyone and his dog seems to know more about the anomalies and creatures than the so called experts of the ARC team.
British soldiers running recon missions to the future, ancient Egyptian priests able to contain and move anomalies, the whole future predator evolution thing. End of the world, those plot filled ruins perched on the hill tops where the future ARC centre has the Anomaly plotting computer, Future predators that clearly evolved in millions of years wiping out humanity and taking over buildings only a few years/decades from now. Like where did all the copies of that big Mercenary who worked for Helen come from or the neural clamps (finding one or a few yes but they have loads of them).
Lots of room for some good X-Files type cover ups and conspiracies.
“What do you mean there is no such thing as an anomaly, we just saw it close and we have every security clearance. After all we are the Governments Anomaly research team.”
“If you say so sir, now move along please, nothing happened here, just light reflecting off a window.”
The T-Rex cousin running through the shopping centre and eating people in public is a bit harder to explain away :lol:
Mytholder said:
Yes the conspiracies. Not the Helen Cutter went mad and tried to kill off the human race (enter huge paradox mode) so much as the fact that everyone and his dog seems to know more about the anomalies and creatures than the so called experts of the ARC team.
British soldiers running recon missions to the future, ancient Egyptian priests able to contain and move anomalies, the whole future predator evolution thing. End of the world, those plot filled ruins perched on the hill tops where the future ARC centre has the Anomaly plotting computer, Future predators that clearly evolved in millions of years wiping out humanity and taking over buildings only a few years/decades from now. Like where did all the copies of that big Mercenary who worked for Helen come from or the neural clamps (finding one or a few yes but they have loads of them).
Lots of room for some good X-Files type cover ups and conspiracies.
“What do you mean there is no such thing as an anomaly, we just saw it close and we have every security clearance. After all we are the Governments Anomaly research team.”
“If you say so sir, now move along please, nothing happened here, just light reflecting off a window.”
Rikki Tikki Traveller
Cosmic Mongoose
Well, they did have changes to the current timeline occur due to things happening in the past, so they could have been fighting multiple futures.
Maybe one future where the evolved hunter occured, a different future where the Anomolies exploded and almost killed off humanity (the last season) etc. etc.
I had my own theory of where the Anomolies came from, too bad it wasn't right. My theory has the Anomolies created by the ARC in their attempt to understand them, they actually created them (nice little paradox there).
One thing that I never quite understood was: Are Anomolies constant as in once created, they can continue to open to that same time period (even if they cycle open and closed) or once they disappear are they gone forever? The show seemed to have it both ways.
Maybe one future where the evolved hunter occured, a different future where the Anomolies exploded and almost killed off humanity (the last season) etc. etc.
I had my own theory of where the Anomolies came from, too bad it wasn't right. My theory has the Anomolies created by the ARC in their attempt to understand them, they actually created them (nice little paradox there).
One thing that I never quite understood was: Are Anomolies constant as in once created, they can continue to open to that same time period (even if they cycle open and closed) or once they disappear are they gone forever? The show seemed to have it both ways.
What, Time Lord? Or has there been another one?
Essentially, yes, they do have it both ways.
Both ends of an anomaly can be fixed or mobile, both in space and time. In addition, there are ways to move even a fixed one (that egyptian statue thing).
Big holes through time? The future might have been killed by something from the far, far future. In the past, relative to that future, but still the future to us now. Except when they go to that future, to look at the anomaly computer, which predicts anomalies in the future of the future.
...damn, this is worse than trying to explain cricket.
Captain Jonah
Mongoose
The anomalies are fractures in the space time continuum.
However they don’t connect up and down the same timeline since that would create a paradox state and lock the entire timeline down.
Instead the fractures cross the temporal dimensional boundaries allowing for contact between timelines that have been through divergence points either recently or far in the past.
It isn’t possible for a future divergence point to impact its own timeline but it is possible for timelines to be more advanced than each other and thus a probable future of your timeline will exist in parallel to your current timeline meaning cross temporal dimensional contamination is possible.
So the future predators are not, in fact, from your future (or maybe they are) but they are from a timeline where changes in the past have put that timeline ahead of yours.
For example had Helen managed to wipe out the first tribe of primates then the entire course of evolution on that world may have changed at that point and the Bats could then have evolved into the highest life form. They could then cross anomalies and find themselves in worlds in which humans are the dominant life form but they may be more of less developed meaning that they could be the equivalent of our future or past or even our present.
So its not actually the future that was killed by creatures from the far future, its more that creatures that could be in our future which are in the present in another timeline go to another timeline that could also be our future but is in fact still our present and wiped out all human life in the area hence looking like the far future had wiped out the future when it may well be that the past has wiped out the present which looks like the future because to us it hasn’t happened yet. This also means that the Victorian lady from the later series was not from the recent past but was from the present which happened to be in the past and the future post end of the world was the present in that present but the future in our present because even though it had already happened it had not yet happened to us making it the future to us but the present to them but since it had happened in the present in relation to us it was still the present even though it was the future.
See, easy :lol:
However they don’t connect up and down the same timeline since that would create a paradox state and lock the entire timeline down.
Instead the fractures cross the temporal dimensional boundaries allowing for contact between timelines that have been through divergence points either recently or far in the past.
It isn’t possible for a future divergence point to impact its own timeline but it is possible for timelines to be more advanced than each other and thus a probable future of your timeline will exist in parallel to your current timeline meaning cross temporal dimensional contamination is possible.
So the future predators are not, in fact, from your future (or maybe they are) but they are from a timeline where changes in the past have put that timeline ahead of yours.
For example had Helen managed to wipe out the first tribe of primates then the entire course of evolution on that world may have changed at that point and the Bats could then have evolved into the highest life form. They could then cross anomalies and find themselves in worlds in which humans are the dominant life form but they may be more of less developed meaning that they could be the equivalent of our future or past or even our present.
So its not actually the future that was killed by creatures from the far future, its more that creatures that could be in our future which are in the present in another timeline go to another timeline that could also be our future but is in fact still our present and wiped out all human life in the area hence looking like the far future had wiped out the future when it may well be that the past has wiped out the present which looks like the future because to us it hasn’t happened yet. This also means that the Victorian lady from the later series was not from the recent past but was from the present which happened to be in the past and the future post end of the world was the present in that present but the future in our present because even though it had already happened it had not yet happened to us making it the future to us but the present to them but since it had happened in the present in relation to us it was still the present even though it was the future.
See, easy :lol:
alex_greene
Guest
If I'd had access to the paid station Watch earlier this year I'd have been able to see the whole fifth series, so I'd know exactly what is going on, but since I'm as new to this fifth season as the rest ...Captain Jonah said:
It looks as if they're working on a Predestination Paradox principle: New Dawn is responsible for the creation of the anomalies, which represent points at which the course of time itself has been folded by Philip Burton's hubristic "free energy" experiments, to the point where the timeline kinks and knots like a coiled TV aerial.
An anomaly is a point at which a bight in the curling timeline intersects in the same physical space as another point in the timeline, causing the disparate parts of the timeline to mingle, creating the "floating shards of shattered time" interface that is the visible event horizon of the anomaly and allowing physical objects to cross over between these points. Most of the anomalies have been in the early 21st century because this is the point in the timeline where New Dawn exists, so the knotting and kinking of the timeline is bound to be heaviest at this point.
Plus, dinosaurs roaming about the streets of Dublin *cough sorry* London.
nats
Banded Mongoose
Primeval went downhill when they got rid of that gorgeous woman with the enormous chest from that chocolate drink advert. Then they went back in time, found loads of bones from the members of the team it seemed, never explained anything about why, it ended up in an alternate reality for no reason that was explained either and after that I completely lost the plot. Rubbish writing and even worse acting.
alex_greene
Guest
This is the fifth and final UK season.JRoss said:
