Pop Up barbettes??

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The Chef

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Do we think it is feasable that barbettes could come in a pop up variety or is that a silly idea cos they are too big?

I'm currently designing a 800Dton consular ship for a travelling ambassador (think tantive iv only smaller). it is also been heavily retrofitted with more powerful engines and increase teeth for those "agressive negotiations" (i have an odd take on the impirium).

Anyway i have given it two popup particle beam barbettes, increased the displacement and cost for both. The way i'm thinking is that these don't necessarily resess into the hull but are disguised as something else on the hull until required.

what do people think?

Chef
 
Makes sense to me too.

Just follow the guidelines for a normal Popup turret. Double the size and +1 MCr cost (personally I would double the cost in this case).

Well within the spirit of the design system.
 
The Chef said:
Do we think it is feasable that barbettes could come in a pop up variety or is that a silly idea cos they are too big?
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I suspect that there could be more cost efficient and volume efficient ways
to give the ship "hidden teeth", but otherwise I see no problem.
 
Cool - while it may be 'silly' from a practical perspective - it would have all the more 'shock/impression' value...

Go ahead and make them true pop-ups. Sure, it would be costly and maybe somewhat inefficient - but why not? Actually, this is a bonus = if they weren't then every ship would have them.

There are numerus RW examples of such.
 
You might be better off simply disguising them inplace and have some sort of hull plating that folds down to reveal the turret. If you aren't planning on landing the ship it should be a relatively easy form of disguise, and if you wanted to make it more the part of the hull, it would be more expensive.

Say its 500,000 MCr for 'basic' turret disguise that would pass long-range visual inspections and low-level scans, and up to 2,000,000MCr for plating that can take a 1G atmosphere landing stress as well as stand up to close-range inspections and scanning.

Of course, your ship hull would need to incorporate the additional "bulges" as part of its standard design. If you have a very plain and flat ship that all of a sudden had two large protuberences for no logical design reason it might arouse some suspicion. Think like the Q ships from WWI and WWII when outfitting hidden weaponry. I believe there was an instance where a Q ship sank a British cruiser because they got the drop on the cruiser.
 
phavoc said:
...Say its 500,000 MCr for 'basic' turret disguise that would pass long-range visual inspections and low-level scans, and up to 2,000,000MCr for plating ...
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2,000,000MCr :D

If you have a very plain and flat ship that all of a sudden had two large protuberences for no logical design reason it might arouse some suspicion.
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I think that is the goal!
 
I like the idea of "running out the guns" before a combat. Sure, it takes up internal volume but surely maintenance becomes easier than crawling around on the hull.
 
Valarian said:
I like the idea of "running out the guns" before a combat. ...
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Nice image!

The Chef mentioned this on an ambassador's ship - large barbette's thrusting out of the hull and then swiveling (or the ship turning) to bear - would be pretty suggestive as a negotiating technique :)
 
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