Oi !! Where's the Troll Poll gone?

[simonh]

About the whole snout or no-snout trolls, I just would like to post here a picture from Les Dieux de Glorantha, p.69, at the entry concerning Lhankor Mhy. Guillaume Sorel is the artist who drew this illustration:

I looked through my RQ2 collection last night, and didn't find a single pig-snouted troll in any of them, nor did I see any evidence of a significant divergence between RQ2 and RQ3 interpretations. I don't have any french products though.

... (I love this art piece by the way - Guillaume's really talented).

No argument, it's a lovely picture. Personaly I have no argument with the occasional divergence, but we know what trolls look like. As I pointed out elsewhere, there are pig-snouted creatures in Glorantha, and they have pig snouts for good mythic reasons because they are related to pigs (such as the Tusk Riders, and potentialy the Mralotti pig hsunchen), but trolls aren't one of them.

I stayed out of this debate for quite a while because I figured it's no big deal. The troll and trollkin in the rulebook don't have pig snouts, so it's a one-off. However if Mongoose are defending this on the basis of a specific artistic choice, rather than just being a results of loose artistic interpretation, then I feel I should make my voice heard too.

Glorantha does have pig people. We know for a fact that Trolls aren't pig people. If this is a concious policy then it's valid to challenge it.

 

[burdock]

I have an idea.

3 easy steps to the troll you want.

1 mongoose publish pictures of noseless trolls
2 on the back covers of supplements they include pictures of two different types of nose, each surrounded by dotted lines:

a/ pig noses
b/ troll noses

3 cut along the dotted line around the prefered nose and use glue to stick it to the appropriate troll face.

 

[simonh]

3 cut along the dotted line around the prefered nose and use glue to stick it to the appropriate troll face.

Actualy tales of the Reaching Moon included some art that was deliberately sized to be the same dimensions, and same subject matter as the Dobyski pictures specificaly so that you could photocopy them, and manualy cut-n-paste them into your copy of the AH product.

 

[burdock]

simonh wrote

Actualy tales of the Reaching Moon included some art that was deliberately sized to be the same dimensions, and same subject matter as the Dobyski pictures specificaly so that you could photocopy them, and manualy cut-n-paste them into your copy of the AH product.

Tee hee.

Well with that kind of prececent what are mongoose waiting for!!

 

[Trifletraxor]

Hi guys,

The first one went because a poll suggesting things to do to an artist simply because of a difference of opinion just ain't cricket. . .

But didn't you notice my post just below the poll? Where I suggested that we forget about the artist and found someone in charge instead?

*heating tar and pulling apart pillows with my mandibles*

SGL.

 

[Dead Blue Clown]

I will not back up the MRQ pig-snouts as having precedent in the past. I won't defend them now, or say I prefer them. But that picture is a warthog thing with a huuuuuge snout and long, warthoggish tusks. Even down to the chin, it's pig-shaped. The thing is a wild pig on two legs.

 

[Exubae]

But that picture is a warthog thing with a huuuuuge snout and long, warthoggish tusks

Ahhhh! No more pig-noses please, even if they predate MRQ.

Nice pic apart from said snout, so it looks like we can trace the pig-nosed version of the Uz back to the French language edition.

The only thing that should be piggy about a troll is its beady little eyes

The Great troll from the Monster book is cool and on the right lines, would be better if he where a little grubby... Come to think the Broo also looks to be by the same artist and also seems well groomed and spotless (still a cool pic though).

 

[CharlieMonster]

That's a fairly highly accurate description of Trollkin

Oh come on, Trollkin aren't that pathetic surely?

 

[Rurik]

Nice pic apart from said snout, so it looks like we can trace the pig-nosed version of the Uz back to the French language edition.

So we can just put this whole pig nose thing behind us and blame it on the French, right?

EDIT: Changed 'big' to 'pig' - amazing how one little typo can change the whole meaning.

 

[Trifletraxor]

The great troll picture is along the right lines. Looks like he haven't been eating too good lately though. The green trollkin-wannabe with a human nose looks more like a ghoul freshly risen from the grave. Probably just a mix-up.

SGL.

 

[Kagan Altar]

So we can just put this whole pig nose thing behind us and blame it on the French, right?

LOL I guess so!

What aren't we ever blamed for, exactly?! :lol:

 

[Rurik]

What aren't we ever blamed for, exactly?! :lol:

[/me ponders long and hard before actually saying this]

Anything bad that is actually executed well.

Honestly though, I blame Ducks for stuff too.

And sometimes Mongeese.

*This post is in no way supposed to be taken to mean I am a Francophile. I just can't help being a bastard when the opportunity arises. Hell, I was watching the History Channel series on the History of Sex and it said the French taught us Americans how to screw. Seriously. Before WWI we were all like puritan missionary position sex is bad. Then all the soldiers went over to France and the girls over there taught them how it was done. When they came back home the dough-boys taught our girls. Then someone got the bright idea of making alcohol illegal. The result was the roaring 20's. Ever since we have a bunch of decedent perverts. Yay France!

 

[Exubae]

So we can just put this whole pig nose thing behind us and blame it on the French, right?

No quite what I meant...
Just I've never seen said pig-faced Trolls in the English language Eds.

But saying that found alot of the presentation in French Ed stuff especially Nephilim pretty cool; but in the case of the pic it looks like they went their own way.