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Pietia said:
buzkashi said:
Otherwise use a BMP-2 from Liberation, S&S or ACE. Are you really going to be playing against someone who can tell the difference?
They look completely different.

buzkashi said:
BTR-T- not currently available but buy a Cromwell Models BMP-T- very, very similar in looks and capabilities.
Completely different looks and capabilities.

BMPs- Is he really going to be playing against someone who knows moderns? Whats the chance? Niche wargaming and Evo is even more niche.

BTR-T- As above. Particularly with exotic ultra modern kit such as this.

Your response is the reason I don't post here or on EVOCOMMAND. The attitudes of some of you when a person tries to help out is appaling. Same reason Piers left EVOCOMMAND.
 
buzkashi said:
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Your response is the reason I don't post here or on EVOCOMMAND. The attitudes of some of you when a person tries to help out is appaling. Same reason Piers left EVOCOMMAND.

Somehow I can understand you, the tone on these forums are often a bit harsh... :(

I have read your post as helpful BTW, a bit of proxy in a game does not hurt at all! :)
 
im a big fan of close enough is good enough..

the rules are close enough to be good enough so why cant the modles be the same...

as long as your oponent knows what you done and why its cool in my book.. model availablity just means we can be a bit more inventive on how to represent the force.. as long as it looks ok on the table thats fine.. ie no matchbox london taxis pretending to be a T-90... that would be just wrong in my books.
 
buzkashi said:
Pietia said:
buzkashi said:
Otherwise use a BMP-2 from Liberation, S&S or ACE. Are you really going to be playing against someone who can tell the difference?
They look completely different.

buzkashi said:
BTR-T- not currently available but buy a Cromwell Models BMP-T- very, very similar in looks and capabilities.
Completely different looks and capabilities.

BMPs- Is he really going to be playing against someone who knows moderns? Whats the chance? Niche wargaming and Evo is even more niche.

BTR-T- As above. Particularly with exotic ultra modern kit such as this.

Your response is the reason I don't post here or on EVOCOMMAND. The attitudes of some of you when a person tries to help out is appaling. Same reason Piers left EVOCOMMAND.
It appears your the person with the attitude :x
 
Thank you for neatly proving my point. A welcoming crowd if ever there was one. Love the little "mad" icon too. Nice touch.

And it's "you're" not "your"- if we're being pedantic about proxies we may as well be pedantic on spelling.
 
Oh for pity's sake.

Buzkashi, I appreciate your suggestion; I'm trying to find the correct models and hoping someone here might know something but you're trying to help nevertheless and I'm grateful.

The rest of you, bloody hell, leave the man alone. If you've got nothing nice to say...
 
what can be very often overlooked when playing a certain rule set is not to look elsewhere for other items of equipment.
it should not be very hard to fit those vehicles which are not in the rules into the rule stats, there will always be a simmilar vehicle in the rules and it may rquire adjustment, but should not be beyond the average gamer.
i have seen some gw games fall apart as a certain gamer may have something 'not in the rules' and therefore cant use it.
that is one way to lose opponents, when wh40k came out a few people in our club were using stuff from starwars and seemed to fit them in quite well.
as for the different vehicles available, there is far more available now and there are not many gaps especialy in modern combat.
there is a bmp3 readymade soon to be released in 1/72 scale.
a good trawl through ebay can bring up some surprises.
 
buzkashi said:
Thank you for neatly proving my point. A welcoming crowd if ever there was one. Love the little "mad" icon too. Nice touch.

And it's "you're" not "your"- if we're being pedantic about proxies we may as well be pedantic on spelling.
Your the one with the attitude from the start.
You brought it with you.
 
Lord David the Denied said:
Oh for pity's sake.

Buzkashi, I appreciate your suggestion; I'm trying to find the correct models and hoping someone here might know something but you're trying to help nevertheless and I'm grateful.

The rest of you, bloody hell, leave the man alone. If you've got nothing nice to say...

Thank you David.

Shaun is correct on the BMP-3. I forgot that Easy Model have three or four different BMP-3s (Russian, UAE etc) in their 2008 catalogue however they are a little on the slow side as far as production goes. The good news is that the Trumpeter kit version is generally released just before or after the pre built. Also keep an eye out for their pre built Hinds and Hips for your CIS forces- supposedly released this year.

Jayraider- you really need to work on your spelling and grammer son, particularly if you want to participate in the delightful paradox of arguing on the internet but thanks for the kind thoughts nevertheless.
 
I've got to admit, I am one of the people that knows the differences between modern vehicles (yup, even between a T-80 and T-90), and I dislike proxying. It's an irritating habit, I know, but I am working on getting better.......... :lol:
As to the Russian list, as far as I'm aware, the one in the book is less representative of the Russian forces than the others. I think it represents the urban strike forces used in the Chechen conflict, but I could be wrong. The most common mechanised organisation in the Russian Army is still the BMP-2/T-80/90 with additional units. Considering just how big the Russian Army is, it is taking them a long time to re-arm with new stuff. I know they're also down-sizing their military (like almost everyone else), but it's still going to take a very long time. BMP-3's are still a minority, most units still use BMP-2's, most of the BMP-1's have gone by now. Tunguska is still slowly replacing the Shilka and SA-9/13 units, although they were still using Shilka's alongside Tunguska's in Chechnya. Vodniks are due to replace BRDM recon vehicles soon, but again, slowly.
For most of the Russian Military, certainly the second-line units, you could use an organisation and most of the equipment from the 80's or 90's without there being a difference! :shock:
 
Well, the Russian list represents what Matt wanted - Russian force from near future, in which Russian forces were getting all the funding they need, with nice new toys. If someone wants real "modern" Russian force, evocommand is the place to visit.
 
Yes, there are stats for those vehicles (in fact several variants of these vehicles). Here's a topic with Modern Combat stats (in card format):
http://forum.evocommand.com/viewtopic.php?t=1752

links are on the first page of this topic. The Russian card pack is in development - there are no point costs for aircraft and helis yet (but the stats are there). It is a bit more detailed than the stats in the MC book.
 
Yeah, I liked some of the ways that the cards had been done, but I did find one or 2 little faults with the German Heer list, more tiny nit-picks really; shouldn't the Milan 3 upgrade have been 1 per Panzergrenadier squad (removing 1 from the Marder), but only 1 per Gebirgsjager/Fallschirmjager/Heimatschutzkommando platoon? Also, the Boxer APC has the same weapons mount as the Dingo and Fennek, so the choice should have been for an MG3 or an HK GMG, not both. Just also noticed that there's no Serval option for the KSK/Fernspaher squads, I thought that the Wolf didn't mount anything heavier than an MG3 and it's the Serval, with it's modified chassis and roll-bars that could mount an MG3 and either an M2 mg or an HK GMG?

Like I said, just tiny little mistakes, but sometimes the devil's in the detail's.
 
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