Klingon D7 model
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Ben: agreed - 4" is a bit too big, but 3" is just about right (bearing in mind, like I said, that the dreadnoughts will be bigger). It'll make the Frigates worth having - they're a little small at current scale... at least at that scale you stand a chance of seeing the difference between the variants. 
The NA ships are that big?
The NA ships are that big?
Rick
Mongoose
The length of the D7 is supposed to be 228m - given that Mongoose have said that they're going for a scale of 1/3125 - I'd expect the D7 model to be around 3" (or a fraction under).
I'd agree with those that have said that this model might be a test piece to work out possible casting issues, etc.
I'd agree with those that have said that this model might be a test piece to work out possible casting issues, etc.
Yup, at 1/3125 it would be 7.2 cm.
At 1/3900 it would be 5.8cm.
At 1/4000 it would be 5.7cm.
However the constitution would be 9.28cm at 1/3125.
At 1/3900 it would be 7.4cm
At 1/4000 it would be 7.2 cm.
So the current D7 model is actually quite undersized.
And the Constitution will be large whatever scale it is.
Are Matt and SVC happy on the scale question, or is it open for debate?
What is the longest SFB ship? What length are the dreadnoughts?
Is 1/3125 too large a scale?
At 1/3900 it would be 5.8cm.
At 1/4000 it would be 5.7cm.
However the constitution would be 9.28cm at 1/3125.
At 1/3900 it would be 7.4cm
At 1/4000 it would be 7.2 cm.
So the current D7 model is actually quite undersized.
And the Constitution will be large whatever scale it is.
Are Matt and SVC happy on the scale question, or is it open for debate?
What is the longest SFB ship? What length are the dreadnoughts?
Is 1/3125 too large a scale?
The Federation class Dread is 320m according to the blueprints.
The scout is 240 and the tug (which can be the long one) is 219 without a pod...
So at 1:3125, the Dread would be 10cm (4"), the Scout 7.6cm and the tug 7cm...
The romulan warbird would be 1.9cm long and 2.8cm wide
Incidently, if they make the shuttle to scale, it'll be 2.7mm :lol: I think they may need to break scale a little for the shuttles and fighters...
The scout is 240 and the tug (which can be the long one) is 219 without a pod...
So at 1:3125, the Dread would be 10cm (4"), the Scout 7.6cm and the tug 7cm...
The romulan warbird would be 1.9cm long and 2.8cm wide
Incidently, if they make the shuttle to scale, it'll be 2.7mm :lol: I think they may need to break scale a little for the shuttles and fighters...
Iain McGhee
Mongoose
BFalcon said:
Absolutely sure, they're Kestrels from Border Box #3. Completely stock, other than trimming 5mm of flash off the back of the engines
I've also got a bunch of Shapeways K'Tinga-a-likes in 1/4000 which are around 6cm long, so there's something funny going on there.Iain McGhee
Mongoose
Ben2 said:
Not for ACTA purposes, maybe for FC with normal 1.25" hexes.
Based on discussions over on the ADB Boards the Fed CA would be roughly 3 and 3/4 inches long. So your calculations of 9.28Cm would be the right target length of the CA making the D7/6 roughly 3 inches long.
As far as changing scale much past that. Any larger is going to hit a lot of resistance and Mongoose has already stated that they would not want togo any smaller. We have got to remember this is a Joint Ventur Project to update Starline/Star Fleet Univers ships not to make exact copy of the TOS series. Some ships sizes were changed to make them more in scale with the way Star Fleet Univers works. Also since this series will supplant the exsisting Starline 2400 ships they will need to stay in a scale useable on a 1" Hex Map even if you guys will use them on a hexless map.
Some other current 2400 lengths;
Large Ore Hauler - 87mm
Klingon B10 - Largets Metal mini in the game can not get to that box right now.
Klingon F5 - 26mm
Romulan Condor - 64mm long x 60mm wide.
Romulan Warbird - 27mm long x 46mm wide.
Gorn DN - 85mm
Gorn BC/CM - 62mm
Kziniti DN - 78mm
Fed DNG - 87mm
Fed CV(old) - 112mm (This ship was redacted out of the SFU but it is still cool)
Fed FFG - 30mm
As far as changing scale much past that. Any larger is going to hit a lot of resistance and Mongoose has already stated that they would not want togo any smaller. We have got to remember this is a Joint Ventur Project to update Starline/Star Fleet Univers ships not to make exact copy of the TOS series. Some ships sizes were changed to make them more in scale with the way Star Fleet Univers works. Also since this series will supplant the exsisting Starline 2400 ships they will need to stay in a scale useable on a 1" Hex Map even if you guys will use them on a hexless map.
Some other current 2400 lengths;
Large Ore Hauler - 87mm
Klingon B10 - Largets Metal mini in the game can not get to that box right now.
Klingon F5 - 26mm
Romulan Condor - 64mm long x 60mm wide.
Romulan Warbird - 27mm long x 46mm wide.
Gorn DN - 85mm
Gorn BC/CM - 62mm
Kziniti DN - 78mm
Fed DNG - 87mm
Fed CV(old) - 112mm (This ship was redacted out of the SFU but it is still cool)
Fed FFG - 30mm
Rambler wrote: "Also since this series will supplant the exsisting Starline 2400 ships they will need to stay in a scale useable on a 1" Hex Map even if you guys will use them on a hexless map."
I will remind people that as long as there is a demand for the 2400 line in pewter, ADB, Inc. has stated that we will continue to produce them.
I will remind people that as long as there is a demand for the 2400 line in pewter, ADB, Inc. has stated that we will continue to produce them.
Lawn Dart said:
Probably not. Federation Commander sells with 6, 8.5x11 inch Cardboard Map Panels. That you put down to make the map field with. Yes the Maps Panels do have two scale of hexes 1" on one side and 1/2" or 5/8" hexes on the other size. And every map Panel that they have sold since then follows the same principle. Thats alot of Gameboards that you have to go out and tell people BTW we are changing the scale of the minitures so you will need to buy these new Boards.
The issue isn't really make larger hexs size that is simple to do. Its what size area you play with. ACTAs guy use much bigger areas because you tend to play with fleets. Where as your average SFB/FedCom Player use one ship per side or a small squadron of like 3 to 6 ships per side so they can use a smaller space. If you start making there hexes bigger they will lose playing area.
Like I said changing the hex size is easy. Also yeah you could turn around a d tell people you need to go to ADBs Online Store and order a different set of bases to use with those new 2500s. But reallywhy would you? The exsisting bases circle bases will be clear so you can see the map through them.
This still doesn't address the playing area issue. Or the fact that a lot of SFB/FC players will still be using 2400 minis for sometime with 2500 scale and if the 2 scales are radically different they will baulk. It is going to take Mongoose 2 or 3 years to recast the 2400s and some SFBers own hundreds if not thousands of 2200, 2300, and 2400s.
If you try to scale the new line up to much they will start getting even more grumpier than they are now. Now for the most part they will accept a 1/3125 scale.
This still doesn't address the playing area issue. Or the fact that a lot of SFB/FC players will still be using 2400 minis for sometime with 2500 scale and if the 2 scales are radically different they will baulk. It is going to take Mongoose 2 or 3 years to recast the 2400s and some SFBers own hundreds if not thousands of 2200, 2300, and 2400s.
If you try to scale the new line up to much they will start getting even more grumpier than they are now. Now for the most part they will accept a 1/3125 scale.
Iain McGhee
Mongoose
Just an observation: Most of the scenarios in the Federation Commander rulebook use 12 of the larger 1.25" hex boards (required with models) or 6 of the half-size hex boards. You'd actually need 15 of the 1.25" hex panels to match the same playing area as the small hex 6-board area (42x30 hexes), about 4'x3'. One reason I use the miniatures rules rather than the hexes 
Regarding models, there's Jean's post above. No reason current FC/SFB players with large collections will need to replace them or mix in 2500's (or even play ACTA for that matter, although they should give it a try: it's great for large-scale battles). Although mixed-scale fleets isn't much of an issue 'round here, B5 models were like that by default.
Wouldn't worry about the model sizes until the final versions appear, the exact scale isn't finalised and there's input from both companies: trust them to get it right, they'll want everyone to be able to use them.
Regarding models, there's Jean's post above. No reason current FC/SFB players with large collections will need to replace them or mix in 2500's (or even play ACTA for that matter, although they should give it a try: it's great for large-scale battles). Although mixed-scale fleets isn't much of an issue 'round here, B5 models were like that by default
.Wouldn't worry about the model sizes until the final versions appear, the exact scale isn't finalised and there's input from both companies: trust them to get it right, they'll want everyone to be able to use them.
ACTA:STFU is about bringing in new players anyway.
And there'll still be counters players out there who might finally take the plunge and buy minis.
And some people will get them to paint up.
And there'll be plenty of impulse buys when minis hit the stores.
And some of the new people will get either Federation Commander or SFB.
And people will buy minis to play Klingon Armada.
And there'll still be counters players out there who might finally take the plunge and buy minis.
And some people will get them to paint up.
And there'll be plenty of impulse buys when minis hit the stores.
And some of the new people will get either Federation Commander or SFB.
And people will buy minis to play Klingon Armada.
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