Jump Gates

skavendan said:
So that makes Sheriden and the Centauri war criminals by definition as Sheriden blew up a jump gate on perpose to escape a shadow vessel & and the Centauri used mass drivers on the Narns. BOTH ARE CLASSED AS WAR CRIMES by your own definition....
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Well you could see in the series how much against use mass drivers other goverments were...Just one problem:

a) EA was under Clarks administration and weren't going to get involved.
b) Minbari were busy preparing for shadow war so wouldn't get involved against centauri
c) without either of those others don't have strenght to go against centauri so would rather not press on the issue to avoid being stamped by centauri.

As for Sheridan...Yeah he could have landed in problem but event wasn't probably exactly spoken widely outside white star crew and with planet gate being dead no-one probably knows to what it got destroyed. Then came shadow war and issue became moot point(and at that point Sheridan would probably have got amnesty anyway on point of it got rid of shadow vessel!).
 
Well tneva82 your information is acceptable however it leaves me with the same feel as when I posted this originally.

If stealth ships marked ships trying to escape Via a Jump gate all they would have to do is say "they have activated the jump gate" and a ship in hyperspace with advanced jump engines would open a point within the jump gate. Thus causing the gate to explode. No1 would be the wiser as to what happened other than they where fleeing the system and the gate exploded when activated.

Seems perfectly Valid and the work of evil forces :P
 
skavendan said:
Well tneva82 your information is acceptable however it leaves me with the same feel as when I posted this originally.

If stealth ships marked ships trying to escape Via a Jump gate all they would have to do is say "they have activated the jump gate" and a ship in hyperspace with advanced jump engines would open a point within the jump gate. Thus causing the gate to explode. No1 would be the wiser as to what happened other than they where fleeing the system and the gate exploded when activated.

Seems perfectly Valid and the work of evil forces :P
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And thus evil force would be undermining their own hyperspace traveling...Those evil forces need beacons as well ;-)
 
I hear that line alot but you never hear anyone going what dick blew up this jump gate (sheriden did) were lost now.....
 
skavendan said:
I hear that line alot but you never hear anyone going what dick blew up this jump gate (sheriden did) were lost now.....
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a) The serie can't cover every single discussion ;-)
b) There was heck of a chaos going around that time thanks to centauri's and shadows. Destroyed gate over dead planet isn't likely biggest news around then. More of something to figure once immediate issues are sorted out.
 
skavendan said:
So that makes Sheriden and the Centauri war criminals by definition as Sheriden blew up a jump gate on perpose to escape a shadow vessel & and the Centauri used mass drivers on the Narns. BOTH ARE CLASSED AS WAR CRIMES by your own definition....
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More or less. Sheridan justified the destruction of the Markab Jump Gate as keeping scavengers out of their home system, though.
 
Lorcan Nagle said:
skavendan said:
So that makes Sheriden and the Centauri war criminals by definition as Sheriden blew up a jump gate on perpose to escape a shadow vessel & and the Centauri used mass drivers on the Narns. BOTH ARE CLASSED AS WAR CRIMES by your own definition....
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More or less. Sheridan justified the destruction of the Markab Jump Gate as keeping scavengers out of their home system, though.
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Well in that case he should destroy all the gates that are near "IPX projects" (if thats what there called) scavenging dead worlds to make a better Earth what a pill of rubbish.

Common guys you can come up with better Justification than this can't you?
 
tneva82 said:
skavendan said:
Well tneva82 your information is acceptable however it leaves me with the same feel as when I posted this originally.

If stealth ships marked ships trying to escape Via a Jump gate all they would have to do is say "they have activated the jump gate" and a ship in hyperspace with advanced jump engines would open a point within the jump gate. Thus causing the gate to explode. No1 would be the wiser as to what happened other than they where fleeing the system and the gate exploded when activated.

Seems perfectly Valid and the work of evil forces :P
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And thus evil force would be undermining their own hyperspace traveling...Those evil forces need beacons as well ;-)
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I Imagine that the Drakh need beacons - do the Shadows? Wern't they around before the hyperspace gate network? I assumed they had full and complete knowledge of hyperspace and ignored the beacons etc.....

I also thought the Makrab system would make a useful base for them once the gate is destroyed - others can't get in or out? Also ironic using a Vorlon worshiping races homeworld as a base - may apeal to their sense of humour.........

Is there a gate at Zha'dum? I can't recall?

Lastly Shadows are not Evil :wink: At least no more so than the Vorlons :)
 
Da Boss said:
I also thought the Makrab system would make a useful base for them once the gate is destroyed - others can't get in or out? Also ironic using a Vorlon worshiping races homeworld as a base - may apeal to their sense of humour.........

Is there a gate at Zha'dum? I can't recall?

Lastly Shadows are not Evil :wink: At least no more so than the Vorlons :)
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Who ever said the Vorlons where not evil? lol

Good & Evil are more matters of perspective than moral.

I like to refer to people/races as doing what seemed like a good idea at the time.

I presume there is no gate near z'ha'dum which leaves the point that noone actually seems to have touble finding it....

Unless there is one and it's just disabled much like the one thats too close to Earth...
 
skavendan said:
I presume there is no gate near z'ha'dum which leaves the point that noone actually seems to have touble finding it....

Unless there is one and it's just disabled much like the one thats too close to Earth...
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season 4 when Sheriden, Lyta and Bester go to Zha'dum, they see ships leaving the system via the local jumpgate before the planet goes the way of the Deathstar.
 
My personal take - jump gates make travel easier, but are not essential.

Civilian shuttles, liners and freighters don't carry the necessary equipment to move off-beacon, but most jump-capable warships do - it takes longer, and there's an element of risk, but it's doable.

Scouts and dedicated survey ships such as the EA's Explorers are more capable still - the Explorers carry the components of jumpgates to assemble in valuable systems they discover (I think that was B5W fluff).

Destroying a jump gate won't completely isolate a system, but it will cripple their interstellar trade. Such a devastating economic blow, possibly leading to hardship or even starvation for the civilian population (cf Dan Simmon's Hyperion books), could be considered a 'War Crime'.
 
The Shadows phase in and out of Hyperspace, and as such they allgedly retain a link to normal space, therefore travelling hyperspace is easy to them.
Jump gate and Jump engine technology was a Vorlon thing. Well jump engines anyway, maybe not the gates? anyhoo, there is no reason why ZahaDum wouldn't have a gate. Prior to the younger races, there would have been travel trade and commerce berween the ancients, and even if the shadows didn't use jump engines in the ususal sense, the Vorlons did, and maybe others, so they built a gate network.

the Shadows certainly show no inclination to go round destroying gates, maybe some sense of loyalty to their old connections to the other ancients?
 
well they do mention that there are certain rules between the vorlons/shadows and from the shadows perspective the younger races they encurage can get about easier using gates.
 
I thought even the EA explorer was endangered by not staying 'on beacon' in that one episode... hmmm....

Ripple
 
skavendan said:
Ripple said:
I thought even the EA explorer was endangered by not staying 'on beacon' in that one episode... hmmm....

Ripple
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Yup because it was a old rubbish ship.
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Actually, because in that episode the ship suffered a major fire and lost several critical systems.
 
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