Ignore this post. I figured it out and I am mentally slow today. lol

[MasterGwydion]

Just a random thought for Geir. In HG, it lists specific effects you can add (Advantages) at higher TLs, but it doesn't allow you to build a Prototype J-6 Drive at TL-14. Is this how it is supposed to work or is this a glitch? Or are different rules supposed to be used?

 

[ThornPlutonius]

Mind sharing what you figured out?

 

[Terry Mixon]

Rather than ask others to ignore it, maybe just delete it?

 

[JustEastOfTheEdge]

Oh, I enjoyed the edited post title.

 

[Arkathan]

Mind sharing what you figured out?

That you can build a prototype J-6 at TL 13 by giving it two disadvantages and paying out the wazzoo for it. Or one disadvantage at TL 14, and a payment slightly less painful for any affected wazzoos.

 

[Limpin Legin]

but it doesn't allow you to build a Prototype J-6 Drive at TL-14.

Pardon? WBH and CRB default rules only allow J-6 at TL-15. HG overrides ruleset that allows emergence of higher level tech to start one or two tech levels earlier.

That you can build a prototype J-6 at TL 13 by giving it two disadvantages and paying out the wazzoo for it. Or one disadvantage at TL 14, and a payment slightly less painful for any affected wazzoos.

Yeah. Exclusive to Beta Testers and the very rich?

 

[Condottiere]

The rich would import it.

 

[Sigtrygg]

I don't mind having different TLs for different technologies, I think it adds to the setting more than it detracts.

What I dislike is the prototype and experimental way of doing things.

A nuclear power station at TL4? Sure just take two disadvantages. A prototype fusion power plant in a TL7 experimental jump ship? Of course. I'm not saying I dislike it to the point of removal, it makes for some interesting 1950s themed sci fi or steampunk (the atomic powered Nautilus of Hollywood).

I uses stages within the same TL - so the experimental then prototype jump drive are early versions but still TL9.

 

[ottarrus]

Been there. Do that. Probably doing it right now....
Cheers.

 

[Limpin Legin]

Who gets to determine the advantages/disadvantages? Think HG says it is the referee. But what if a player or npc was an engineer or scientist, who had contributed a "white paper" on the tech? Could they use that as persuasion, and influence the outcome?

 

[Limpin Legin]

A nuclear power station at TL4? Sure just take two disadvantages. A prototype fusion power plant in a TL7 experimental jump ship? Of course. I'm not saying I dislike it to the point of removal, it makes for some interesting 1950s themed sci fi or steampunk (the atomic powered Nautilus of Hollywood).

I uses stages within the same TL - so the experimental then prototype jump drive are early versions but still TL9.

Would be nice to see one more disadvantage at TL-2 to be:

Concept: exists as a concept or idea on paper and not presently available to manufacture. Still needs to be paid for.​

One more advantage at TL+2 could be:

Template: Tech is available as a fabricator's template. Able to make two for price of one + raw materials costs.​

 

[Arkathan]

Who gets to determine the advantages/disadvantages? Think HG says it is the referee. But what if a player or npc was an engineer or scientist, who had contributed a "white paper" on the tech? Could they use that as persuasion, and influence the outcome?

Whoever designs/buys the item. Whether they choose to use overly large stand in parts like vacuum tubes for transistors or inefficient components that radiate as much energy in the form of waste heat as they additionally need to operate.

 

[Sigtrygg]

I like the way MgT handles TL stage effects in HG, it is a system that lends itself to expansion to more systems and other things like vehicles.
If you ignore the rule that says you cant mix advantages and disadvantages there are all sorts of ways to customise stuff.

 

[Condottiere]

And that seems one of those things that they really don't want to encourage.

 

[Arkathan]

I like the way MgT handles TL stage effects in HG, it is a system that lends itself to expansion to more systems and other things like vehicles.
If you ignore the rule that says you cant mix advantages and disadvantages there are all sorts of ways to customise stuff.

Some of those naturally go together, like bulky and easy to repair. As long as the bulk is spreading parts out and making room to swap them easily.
Or Power Hog and High Yield

 

[MasterGwydion]

Rather than ask others to ignore it, maybe just delete it?

I would, but don't know how. lol

 

[MasterGwydion]

Mind sharing what you figured out?

Other than, that I can't read? lol. I figured out how to do a prototype J-6 Drive a TL-14

 

[Terry Mixon]

I would, but don't know how. lol

And I go looking and find out you are correct. Didn't see that coming.

 

[MasterGwydion]

And I go looking and find out you are correct. Didn't see that coming.

Me neither. I was hoping someone would tell Me how, not find out there isn't a way. lol

 

[MonsterX]

I see the secret to getting lots of responses on your thread seems to be to write "Ignore this post" in the headline.