Hyborian - Modern Culture Equivalents

rgrove0172

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Ive read tons of commentary on the comparison of the various Hyborian cultures with modern races and cultures. I have a few ideas of my own of course but Im wondering if there is a semi-official map or list out there somewhere with this information. It would help emmensely, especially with players unfamiliar with Hyboria to invision a given stereotype. - ie. "Ok, this is Zingara, think Spain and youve got the picture."

For example, Ive always had trouble invisioning Zamora. Mediterranean? Eastern European?
 
You might try this one: Hyborian age on Wikipedia

Note that it has a few errors. It states that Amazonia was invented by L. Sprague de Camp, for example. Howard established the Kingdom of the Amazons in his "Hyborian Age" essay, which means REH himself invented it, even though he never set a story there or really mentioned it again in the stories.
 
I always loathed to compare Hyborian Age and past earth civilization. i.e. Aquilonia should be considered as medieval France, but the life in the Western colonies (in the Pictland) is more akin to the first US pioneers before independancy.

Also, Khitai has nothing to do with ancient Chinese culture. Or perhaps only in the Hollywood view.

In the end, I would say kingdoms of the Hyborian age are an extrapolation developped from several myths and cultures but in no way represents these cultures.
 
I can respect your opinion Mr. King but if I agreed with you I would be removing one of the keys to my, and I believe many others, enjoyment of Howard's world. It is in the similarity to our own world that the real kinship and identification with the characters and locales lies. I think a completlely foriegn environement loses something somehow.
 
Exactly, it is much easier to make a connection to the world because of the similarities with the real world (present or past), since you know what the people look like, have some ideas on the culture, etc., instead of a purely fantasy world where you have to overly rely on the GM to provide you with such content. That knowledge really frees up the PCs to act without having to be spoonfed information.
 
So to revive this thread, how do you invision the Zamorians? What culture do you connect them with? IVe heard everything from Eastern European Gypsies to Isrealites!
 
By what I have read about the culture they are based on, the Eastern European Rom and Roma cultures that were scattered due to invasions and wars is what they are based on. Now these peoples are the roaming Gypsies and such of our world today and of Medieval Europe.

Don't take my word as gospel though.
 
Lord Jolly the Scribe said:
By what I have read about the culture they are based on, the Eastern European Rom and Roma cultures that were scattered due to invasions and wars is what they are based on. Now these peoples are the roaming Gypsies and such of our world today and of Medieval Europe.

Don't take my word as gospel though.

Aren't the Rom/Gypsies originally from India?
Folks used to think that they were from Egypt, but that's wrong--right?
:?

Then that would make at least some of the Zamorians outcastes from Vendhya. AARRGH! Too complicated. :cry:
 
Aren't the Rom/Gypsies originally from India?
Folks used to think that they were from Egypt, but that's wrong--right?

You are quite right, on both counts.

As far as cultures go, everything is very loose and 1930s, but roughly the Hyborians can be considered to have gone through similar stages to the western europeans, leaving some nations behind at each stage. So Hyperborea is a bit Mycenean with cyclopean fortresses and ancient religions, Corinthia and probably Brythunia are more classical greek with city states and complex politics, Koth seems to be rather Roman with a theoretically absolute monarch with a load of revolting governors, and the Western Hyborian states are medieval with feudal monarchy and barons. of course, its far from an exact match.

Zingara seems to be somewhat spanish, and Zamora seems to be new world spanish: Dale Ripke makes a very convincing case for Mexico as the basis for Zamora. Turan is essentially Sassanid Persia with hints of Ottoman Turk, Stygia is Egyptian of course, Shem is ancient Middle East: Assyria in particular, and the Picts are mostly Forest American Indians. The Cimmerians are highland Scots and the Aesir/Vanir are vikings.

Again, though, I stress it is important to use these as a first impression feel thing only; all of them differ from their archetype, some of them quite widely.
 
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