House Rules compilation

[Target]

um... having the Drazi intercept fighter be their expensive and hard to field bomber is a joke... the Star Snake should be able to intercept, or give them another fighter who can, and can be swapped with the Star Snake. Say a fighter that can intercept and has a chance to keep up with the main body of the race rather than just the carrier.

Fairness most certainly does factor into it.

Let's be fair then.

Let's give everyone a fighter with at least Dogfight +2 and Dodge 2+.

Let's just make all fighters exactly the same!

Let's give everyone a fleet carrier.

Let's give everyone a ship that has the capabilities as a WS....

Sorry, I don't see it that way.

Regards,

Dave

The Star snake is a joke though, weak weapon's not being able to intercept is just plain crap.
I can 6-6 a Ka Bin Tak but can't shoot that explosive projectile.
As for the Drazi, their fighters should be better as that the way they love to fight.
Why would you bulid a fighter that civilian contractor's can bulid better. Delta V2 anyone.

 

[Foxmeister]

Why would you bulid a fighter that civilian contractor's can bulid better. Delta V2 anyone.

Well, the Delta-V2 is also better than a Gorith by virtue of being faster but otherwise identical.

However, the Delta-V2 is a much newer design than both the Star Snake and the Gorith according to ISDs (by 40/50 year) and also one would imagine made in far, far, far smaller quantities. Perhaps it's a case of economics!

Regards,

Dave

 

[Ripple]

How about we just leave the Narn with a crap battle choice?

I mean that's fair, not everyone should have a equal choice right?

No offense but just go die would you?

That kind of response is just being an ass and has nothing to add. You said the Abbai do not have access to a fighter that can intercept but two other races do, indicating that having a fighter that can intercept is important for fairness. The Drazi have one, but it sucks in that role and has no access to Fleet Carrier, so to be FAIR they should have something to compensate.

Given the state of the rest of the Drazi I don't see it. I suggest a moderate improvement to the superiority fighter, which will still be weak for that role but not the worst by far unless you take into account fleet carrier, and you run with it, mocking the very idea of balanced access to traits and abilities.

Well Mr Hypocrite, I suggest you shut the flock up about your precious G'Quan then, or actually address the point.

You mention the Gorith, which I agree is crap... except it comes on a race that barely needs superiority fighters. They have every turn access to the e-mine trait, thus negating most uses for a superiority fighter.

Anyway... writing fast I have to go... but that kind of response just pisses me off... it's insulting in that it comes across as if I'm asking for some unwarranted advantage, and by it's base reasoning there should be no discussion of making any changes what so ever. Everything is fine, the game doesn't need a change, just find the busted units and use them, if something is weak its for expert players... it's a challenge, weakness is flavor, holes in your fleet are challenges...

Things can be fair without being the same... it's about give and take and are there other ways to achieve the same ends. In the Drazi case there is another way to get interceptors, but the cost, in both fighters and maneuver restrictions, are way out of line with game.

Ripple

 

[Lord David the Denied]

A lot more restrained than I'd have been, Ripple... :wink:

 

[Foxmeister]

No offense but just go die would you?

Someone disagrees with you and you best response is to tell them to go die? That's nice.

That kind of response is just being an ass and has nothing to add.

*I* don't believe that it is the *right* of every fleet to have access to something just because someone else does!

*I* do believe that the Kotha is rubbish in every role and therefore at least make it able to intercept to make it worthwhile.

I apologise if I have offended you but I reserve the *right* to state my opinion on a public forum.

Well Mr Hypocrite, I suggest you shut the flock up about your precious G'Quan then, or actually address the point.

Are the two arguments even remotely related? No they are not, so I'm not being hypocritical because they have nothing in common.

it's insulting in that it comes across as if I'm asking for some unwarranted advantage

Being insulted as you have just done to me is insulting. I have just stated my opinion with feeling the need to resort to:

a) Telling you die
b) Calling you a hypocrite
c) Telling you to f*ck off

Regards,

Dave

 

[Ripple]

To be honest Fox, you caught some crap from me that wasn't directed at you, but the universe as a whole (ask DaveSaint, my mom is in a bad way). I apologize for that level of inappropriate response.

That said, you didn't just disagree with me, you were being sarcastic in an over the top way. If you attach a tone to you words they mostly come out as fairly belittling. I think a 'just go off and die' with a similar tone is not so over the top a response. Want to chat without the tone, the wink and the over the top examples... I'm all for it.

As for the G'Quan example, they have everything to do with each other. You, and others, me included, are asking for this ship to be brought up to par. There is no justification for this, the designers have said they believe it to be fair. Or I guess I should say, no more justification than asking for a superiority fighter that is interceptor capable.

I could get into why Star Snakes are weak in comparison to almost every other interceptor capable fighter in the game, but it seemed self evident to me, and didn't belong in this thread. A lot like the G'Quon discussion... where a lot of us see how completely obvious the weakness is... but need to beat other folks over the head about it.

Instead of saying that the Drazi fighter is good enough, and the race as a whole doesn't need an expendable fighter that can intercept and keep up with the ships, you belittled me and anyone else who would ask for a comparable capability to another race. An then went merrily on your way to chat about the G'Quon not stacking up to the Omega, because it doesn't snipe as well, etc....

Why don't we just give every fleet a 6 AD beam.

Why don't we just make every beam boresight.

Let's just make all battle PL ships the same!

etc...

What you said is insulting... you belittled anyone asking for a change as asking for the sun moon and stars. You made 'fair' out to be nearly a ridiculous concept... when that is exactly what you yourself are asking for when you want the G'Quon to be worth its points.

You blew up asking that a fleet have reasonable access to a capability that almost every race has (and that even you advocate the only other fighter capable race not to have it get) into every race in the game getting the best raid ship available. I just showed you the mirror where your comments on the G'Quon can easily be lampooned by someone else to be nothing more than the same whine you are making my request out to be.

As to your right to state your opinion on a public forum... no one is questioning it. But if your going to be sarcastic and nasty, expect folks to be so right back.

And so we're clear... your post essentially did tell me to fuck off, you did insult me by implying that I wanted everything for everyone instead of making a limited request in what I see as a balance issue and you did it in a way that in a bar might very well get you popped. Note I wasn't the only one to take your post as sarcastic and inappropriate.

so regards yourself

Ripple

 

[Da Boss]

Taking weak off the Razik is too much - its good enough as is and it devalues the Sentri if you do - we Centauri don't need the boost 8)

Kotha - yeah loose the weak trait from its guns

Makin weak weapon's intercept don't really make the Razik stronger. It's probably easier to destroy by having them intercept especially since bomber types are so slow that you could wipe the raziks out before they even get within range.

Er it gives it an ability it does not have at present - therefore an improvement making it a stronger more versitile ship?? Why would you use a Sentri if it could do this? :?:

As you say Raziks are there to kill other fighters - if you want the ability to intercept use some Sentris or in desperation Rutarians - not the best use if it however. the Centauri already have a choice in this - the Abbai do not - its an issue for them - not the Centauri.

Keep the weak weapons on the Razik and look at the other two to see how they should be improved - I would take weak off both of them.

 

[Burger]

The Drazi don't have a decent interceptor fighter... anyone who uses a Sky Serpent for this is obviously a complete tool.

I don't really have a problem with that though, "interceptor duty" is not a job title that fits in with the Drazi mentality!

Kotha on the other hand, is a complete waste of space. It needs something to make it good. If that is interceptor duty then fine, they are Abbai after all, they are supposed to be all about defence.

 

[Lord David the Denied]

The only thing a Kotha is good for is a dirty exploit of the escort trait - passing AF dice to fighters and then using the worthless Kotha to deliver the AF trait where it shouldn't be able to go.

 

[nekomata fuyu]

Also known as sending escort dice where they should have been able to go regardless...

 

[Lord David the Denied]

If we didn't have the ridiculous AF and escort traits this filty exploit woudn't exist - and "escort" ships wouldn't be able to fire into a dogfight like they can with AF lent to fighter flights.

 

[inq101]

The Drazi don't have a decent interceptor fighter... anyone who uses a Sky Serpent for this is obviously a complete tool.

We don't exactly have a lot of options. Send in the Sky Serpents and keep our fingers crossed or ignore their fighters.